14-05-2019, 06:35
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Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
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No politician should escape challenge or scrutiny. Political parties should not be followed like football clubs regardless of their form, and that's why it's healthy that there are new parties like the Brexit Party and Change UK.
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l totally agree Andrew.
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14-05-2019, 09:41
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Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
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No politician should escape challenge or scrutiny. Political parties should not be followed like football clubs regardless of their form, and that's why it's healthy that there are new parties like the Brexit Party and Change UK.
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The difference between the two you mention, is vast and why only one of them is polling high and the other actually losing ground.
With Brexit Party, their PR team is extremely professional, you can see this in the quality of their promotional videos. The logo, everything about them screams exceptional.
But they also gain ground every time they’re attacked. The pathetic mud being thrown at Farage, just isn’t sticking. To become the party, to beat Tory and Labour, combined, 4 weeks after launching, says it all. The UK still wants to leave EU.
The Change UK Party, which is struggling to keep it’s identity, has fallen behind, their logo is crap, ridiculed for it’s cheapness. They dropped one hell of a clanger last week, when they changed their name, yet again. Dropped their Twitter username, only for it to be snapped up by a Brexiteer.
They are holding rallies, but images of them show it to be a small gathering of about 40-50 people. Brexit Party rallies usually has thousands attending.
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14-05-2019, 09:49
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Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
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Originally Posted by Carth
I'm loving this 
If people were happy and content, there would be no thoughts of Brexit, and no need for somebody like Farage.
I think it's fair to say that, given Brexit is on the cards and Farage is back in action, people are not happy and content at all 
Farage . . like all successful entrepreneurs . . has identified a 'gap in the market' and is exploiting it quite well, good for him  |
Nigel Farage is very good at what he does. People, including me, might not like his politics but he is very good at tapping the zeitgeist
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14-05-2019, 10:48
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Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
Regardless of if you love or hate Farage. he has two key skills
1) He uses language that 'the common man' understands
2) He talks to/with the public rather than at them.
I don't like him personally, nor his message. but it's easy to see why many people buy in
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14-05-2019, 11:00
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Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
People are fed up with the politics of the 2 main parties. MP's in both have disrupted Brexit sometimes voting against because one of "the other side" proposed it. The LD's have gained because they are simply sticking with what they believe as are the "one topic" parties.
People generally like politicians and parties to have a united face and be consistent. They may not agree, may vote against but they hate duplicity.
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14-05-2019, 13:44
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Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees
Regardless of if you love or hate Farage. he has two key skills
1) He uses language that 'the common man' understands
2) He talks to/with the public rather than at them.
I don't like him personally, nor his message. but it's easy to see why many people buy in
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Agreed, he does, and that is a great asset for him.
He also cuts through the bull and the smokescreens that his opponents are putting up to confuse people.
His reception at Question Time last week was very telling. The audience are getting really fed up with the establishment nonsense.
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14-05-2019, 17:28
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Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
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Agreed, he does, and that is a great asset for him.
He also cuts through the bull and the smokescreens that his opponents are putting up to confuse people.
His reception at Question Time last week was very telling. The audience are getting really fed up with the establishment nonsense.
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Ok he may be a good rabble rouser, but has the ever been tested in any position of power?? All very well attacking everyone and anything but what has he delivered? His party has only one policy, -they'll need a bit more than that to be anything more than a protest vote.
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14-05-2019, 18:04
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Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
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Ok he may be a good rabble rouser, but has the ever been tested in any position of power?? All very well attacking everyone and anything but what has he delivered? His party has only one policy, -they'll need a bit more than that to be anything more than a protest vote.
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That's a change from the usual criticism of politicians - as in "have they ever done a real job"?
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14-05-2019, 18:08
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Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
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That's a change from the usual criticism of politicians - as in "have they ever done a real job"?
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Well, at least Nigel has done a real job - he was a commodities trader, and his dad was a City of London stockbroker; we can all relate to those jobs...
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14-05-2019, 18:27
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Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
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Originally Posted by Mr K
Ok he may be a good rabble rouser, but has the ever been tested in any position of power?? All very well attacking everyone and anything but what has he delivered? His party has only one policy, -they'll need a bit more than that to be anything more than a protest vote.
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He doesn't need to be tested in power, he is not seeking it ATM. Yes his party has one policy, the clue is in the name, as regards what he has delivered, without him there would not have been a referendum.
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14-05-2019, 18:54
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Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
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Originally Posted by pip08456
He doesn't need to be tested in power, he is not seeking it ATM. Yes his party has one policy, the clue is in the name, as regards what he has delivered, without him there would not have been a referendum.
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Yes without him the country wouldn't have needlessly been tearing itself apart for the last 3 years. He's divisive and that never ends well, particularly if we ever want the country united again.
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14-05-2019, 20:39
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Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
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Originally Posted by Mr K
Ok he may be a good rabble rouser, but has the ever been tested in any position of power?? All very well attacking everyone and anything but what has he delivered? His party has only one policy, -they'll need a bit more than that to be anything more than a protest vote.
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His party only needs the one policy to tackle the EU election.
It would be different if it were a General Election, and if the Brexit Party fight that, they will need policies to fight on. But we are not there yet, and if Brexit is finally achieved in the meantime, they won't be needed.
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Yes without him the country wouldn't have needlessly been tearing itself apart for the last 3 years. He's divisive and that never ends well, particularly if we ever want the country united again.
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I'm afraid David Cameron is to blame for that. He made a big thing over the changes to the EU he was going to demand for Britan but it came to nowt. People were very angry about that and many finally came to believe that GB has little influence in the EU, who don't care what we think.
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14-05-2019, 20:44
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Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
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I'm afraid David Cameron is to blame for that. He made a big thing over the changes to the EU he was going to demand for Britan but it came to nowt. People were very angry about that and many finally came to believe that GB has little influence in the EU, who don't care what we think.
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Set against the Withdrawal Agreement, the crumbs that Cameron got seems like Dinner at the Dorchester.
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14-05-2019, 21:33
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Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
His party only needs the one policy to tackle the EU election.
It would be different if it were a General Election, and if the Brexit Party fight that, they will need policies to fight on. But we are not there yet, and if Brexit is finally achieved in the meantime, they won't be needed.
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I'm afraid David Cameron is to blame for that. He made a big thing over the changes to the EU he was going to demand for Britan but it came to nowt. People were very angry about that and many finally came to believe that GB has little influence in the EU, who don't care what we think.
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It's easy to promote a policy that you don't have to deliver...
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14-05-2019, 21:43
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Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
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It's easy to promote a policy that you don't have to deliver...
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What does that mean? Farage is trying to deliver a message that, in turn, induces the guvmin to deliver Brexit.
You Remainers pour scorn on Farage and forget that Corbyn is the real enemy.
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