Government & Post Election Discussion

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

How about NOT using local elections as a form of protest but approach them along the lines of seeing who will actually do something about LOCAL issues? All those new councillors won't be having much to do with brexit or remain at local level so let's hope that they will be concentrating on rubbish collections,potholes other local issues.

What else but local issues would the new councillors be dealing with?

There is an obvious distinction between a voter whose motives were X and a sympathising councillor whose tasks are y.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

What else but local issues would the new councillors be dealing with?

There is an obvious distinction between a voter whose motives were X and a sympathising councillor whose tasks are y.

Well the spin I put on it previously was that not everyone voted with Brexit in mind but as our esteemed PM(and others on this forum) thinks it's all about Brexit I'm suggesting that local elections are not the time to protest about national issues.That's all I'm suggesting.

[nashville]

Country is in such a mess, would put you off voting for anyone, That goes for all parties,

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by nashville

Country is in such a mess, would put you off voting for anyone, That goes for all parties,

A candidate for the 'Fancy Dress Party' once stood in my area. I was really tempted to vote for them, their clown outfit seemed appropriate for the job....

[1andrew1]

Interesting analysis from ITV's Robert Peston

These numbers still have to be verified. But what is striking is that even in strongly Leave areas, there was a pronounced swing from Labour to the Remainy LibDems and Greens. Which gives the lie to view among Labour Brexiters that Labour did badly for not being Brexity enough.

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1124270222184275970

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Interesting analysis from ITV's Robert Peston


https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1124270222184275970

Slowly but surely, the public are seeing sense and through the lies,/self interested Brexiter politicians. The longer this drags on, the more it will go in that direction. Hence the paranoia about another vote.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Slowly but surely, the public are seeing sense and through the lies,/self interested Brexiter politicians. The longer this drags on, the more it will go in that direction. Hence the paranoia about another vote.

As much as I want the above to be true, if that’s the case why is the Brexit party polling so high?

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

As much as I want the above to be true, if that’s the case why is the Brexit party polling so high?

Because they have a very simple message, uncluttered by other issues (such as running a country or what will happen afterwards) - get out of the E.U.

Yesterday, I posted a link to a report that confirmed local Lib Dem activists' strategy, in places like uber-Leave Sunderland, was not to mention Brexit at all. I also posted a link to a video in which demigod pollster John Curtice poured cold water on the idea that voters were voting for remain parties, but rather were simply voting against Labour or Tories and transferring their vote to whichever was the strongest/most visible alternative in any given area.

Oddly, most remain-minded people posting in this thread have chosen to completely ignore these inconvenient truths spoken by actual Lib Dem activists and an actual polling expert and choose to focus on the much more palatable musings of a journalist instead.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Because they have a very simple message, uncluttered by other issues (such as running a country or what will happen afterwards) - get out of the E.U.

Yes. Not heard much about their policy on health, education etc. Suspect it's very right wing which might alienate a lot of their potential support in the long run. Look at what's happened to UKIP.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Well the spin I put on it previously was that not everyone voted with Brexit in mind but as our esteemed PM(and others on this forum) thinks it's all about Brexit I'm suggesting that local elections are not the time to protest about national issues.That's all I'm suggesting.

… But people do and no telling them otherwise would change that.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Because they have a very simple message, uncluttered by other issues (such as running a country or what will happen afterwards) - get out of the E.U.

Yes, but people wouldn't be voting for the Brexit Party if they wanted to remain in the EU, would they? As such, it is a good barometer of the public mood.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Yes. Not heard much about their policy on health, education etc. Suspect it's very right wing which might alienate a lot of their potential support in the long run. Look at what's happened to UKIP.

Being a Brexiteer doesn't make you right wing!

[Sephiroth]

The EU elections, if they occur, would make a reasonable referendum, especially if the turnout is high.

You can group the remain type parties, e.g. Lib-Dems, Greens, Change UK; the leave type partiers, e.g. Brexit, UKIP, Conservatives, Labour.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

The EU elections, if they occur, would make a reasonable referendum, especially if the turnout is high.

You can group the remain type parties, e.g. Lib-Dems, Greens, Change UK; the leave type partiers, e.g. Brexit, UKIP, Conservatives, Labour.

A bit cheeky old chap, the Conservatives and Labour break both ways as you know

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Yes, but people wouldn't be voting for the Brexit Party if they wanted to remain in the EU, would they? As such, it is a good barometer of the public mood.

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Being a Brexiteer doesn't make you right wing!

They have played a very good game - vote for us if you want to leave; simple, not capable of nuance or misinterpretation- they leave the hard part to someone else when it comes to the implementation, and can wash their hands of it if it goes wrong.

The other parties have mixed messages (except Greens and Lib Dems), so can expect to split their votes.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Yes. Not heard much about their policy on health, education etc. Suspect it's very right wing which might alienate a lot of their potential support in the long run. Look at what's happened to UKIP.

They actually don’t have a manifesto for the E.U. Elections, and don’t intend to produce one - why should they, as they have (for this election) a very simple and direct message, and don’t want to muddy the waters.