Government & Post Election Discussion

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

The corrupted EU will be sent a clear message when Brexit Party will be standing.

Stop getting your little hopes up. Both Tories and Labour Parties sent a clear message tonight, they got punished for their failure to get on with Brexit. There just was not any fresh choice to vote for anyone else.

UKIP have lost seats, just saying....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-48131095 (@07:47)

Your morning summary
With 109 councils in England declared, Conservatives and Labour have faced a backlash with smaller parties and independents taking seats nationwide.

Liberal Democrats have gained eight councils and 271 councillors
Conservatives have lost 16 councils, won two and lost 396 councillors in total
Labour has lost three councils and won one, losing a total of 81 councillors
The Green Party has gained 36 councillors
UKIP has lost 54 councillors
Independents and smaller parties have added 224 councillors

I would have though UKIP would have got more votes...

Originally Posted by Mr K

UKIP have lost seats, just saying....

And quite rightly too- so have Labour, with their People’s Vote agenda- but UKIP-they are not the same party any more-You’re not very good at this are you?

Read the analysis. Tories and Labour have been heavily punished for not delivering Brexit. Had Brexit Party contested these locals, it would have been a wipeout for main parties, we’ll see this in European Parliamentary elections in a couple of weeks.

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Jonathan Carr-West, chief executive of the LGiU, the local government thinktank, on what the results show so far.

It’s looking like a pretty grim night for the Conservatives and Labour and a very good night for the Lib Dems.

The Conservatives were expecting to lose hundreds of seats and they have. But they’ve also lost control of 13 councils so far. Councils due to declare on Friday are more solidly Conservative, so they will be hoping that trend doesn’t continue; if it does, things could be even worse than they were expecting.

Things aren’t as bad for Labour. They have taken control of Trafford but they’re also losing seats and have lost control of Hartlepool and Wirral.

Labour and Conservative local leaders have angrily blamed the national parties for their losses.

Big winners are the Liberal Democrats, up hundreds of seats with surprise wins in Winchester, Chelmsford and Bath and North East Somerset.

Does this mean that remain voters are flocking to the Lib Dems while disillusioned Tory and Labour leave voters simply stay home? Perhaps. But we shouldn’t forget the salience of local issues. Campaigners around the country have been desperate to shift the debate on to local issues and have had some success.

These elections are not a glorified opinion poll, they’re about electing councillors who will make decisions about the local services people rely on.

Originally Posted by Mick

And quite rightly too- so have Labour, with their People’s Vote agenda- but UKIP-they are not the same party any more-You’re not very good at this are you?

Read the analysis. Tories and Labour have been heavily punished for not delivering Brexit. Had Brexit Party contested these locals, it would have been a wipeout for main parties, we’ll see this in European Parliamentary elections in a couple of weeks.

Then why have the parties who are strongly Remain done so well? (Greens, Lib Dems)

Are you saying Leave voters punished the Tories and Labour for not being "pro Leave" enough by voting for Remain parties?

Originally Posted by Hugh

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-48131095 (@07:47)



I would have though UKIP would have got more votes...

Why?

These are local elections, with very low turnouts.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Then why have the parties who are strongly Remain done so well? (Greens, Lib Dems)

Are you saying Leave voters punished the Tories and Labour for not being "pro Leave" enough by voting for Remain parties?

And they are likely to do this just as much if not more when we have the European elections according to polling guru Sir John Curtice with the big parties suffering considerably.

Originally Posted by Hugh

Then why have the parties who are strongly Remain done so well? (Greens, Lib Dems)

Are you saying Leave voters punished the Tories and Labour for not being "pro Leave" enough by voting for Remain parties?

No, I’m saying the Leave voters stayed at home, their party wasn’t standing. Bloody simple really.

Well let's look on the bright side. Maybe the new local councils will be better run.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Well let's look on the bright side. Maybe the new local councils will be better run.

No need for sarcasm Maggie

No just pleased to see different political parties getting a chance to shine. Slightly fed up with the usual 2 horse race.

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Well let's look on the bright side. Maybe the new local councils will be better run.

Lib Dem’s actually do a pretty nifty job at local level, I was gutted when Labour took our local council many moons ago, how we have suffered since.

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

No just pleased to see different political parties getting a chance to shine. Slightly fed up with the usual 2 horse race.

Especially when for the last three years both major parties have obfuscated and prevaricated repeatedly on a regular basis.

Labour’s Shadow Chancellor, John McDonnell: “We’ll see what final results of local elections look like by end of day as they are pretty mixed geographically up to now but so far message from local elections- “Brexit - sort it.” Message received.”

Remainers hoping for second referendum, can kiss goodbye to this, if Corbyn allies run with this.

[denphone]

There was never going to be a second referendum as that was just a pie in the sky delusion.