Brexit

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Many things can be left in many ways

You can leave a table after dinner by a) eating all of the meal b) partially eating the meal

You can leave a room and a) turn the lights off or b) leave the lights on

In both cases you have still left respectively

That is auite a daft analogy, because in your example the result is the same - you've finished your dinner and you are not going back to eat more of it.

We voted to leave the EU. As Mick says, we did not vote to half-leave. All the alternative options the remainers have put forward involve not completely leaving.

You can dress it up all you want, but we voted to completely leave the EU. The politicians need to get on with it and stop faffing about.

[Angua]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

That is auite a daft analogy, because in your example the result is the same - you've finished your dinner and you are not going back to eat more of it.

We voted to leave the EU. As Mick says, we did not vote to half-leave. All the alternative options the remainers have put forward involve not completely leaving.

You can dress it up all you want, but we voted to completely leave the EU. The politicians need to get on with it and stop faffing about.

As 44% of our export trade is with the EU, government knows they need to protect that. Of necessity they are looking at leave options that do the least damage to trade.

mrmistoffelees scenario needs the addition, that the meal is in a restaurant that they want to be able to continue to patronise, even if they want the freedom to patronise other restaurants unfettered as well.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

As Brexit was never defined in the first place, EVERYONE has their own individual idea of what this should look like.

Yet again, we come back to the old chestnut of Brexit = leave the EU. As we've found out there are many ways in which the EU can be left.

People who say leaving means leaving without a deal, that's fine, That is their interpretation however.

PS. Why would people be fearful about not leaving the EU? Frustrated and angry i can understand, but fearful ?

Proof that the debate has not, and most likely will not, moved on since the result. Remain can’t accept that a hard brexit is exactly what leave voted for and they knew what they were voting for. Until they do it’s Bill Murray time.

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Hi Mick.

Thats my point, because it was never explicitly defined as to what leaving the EU meant

I think it was.

Leaving the SM, CU and jurisdiction of the ECJ. That was Crystal clear.

[Angua]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Proof that the debate has not, and most likely will not, moved on since the result. Remain can’t accept that a hard brexit is exactly what leave voted for and they knew what they were voting for. Until they do it’s Bill Murray time.

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I think it was.

Leaving the SM, CU and jurisdiction of the ECJ. That was Crystal clear.

Where? Farage spoke about a Norway version of Brexit, others referred to Canada + and other options such as the Swiss have.

Are we really going over this again?

[Mr K]

Mmm. Remain seem to be winning the CF poll ! Given its a sample of aged Cable enthusiasts, not bad

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Mmm. Remain seem to be winning the CF poll ! Given its a sample of aged Cable enthusiasts, not bad

the vegetarian party aren't doing very well.

Originally Posted by Mr K

Mmm. Remain seem to be winning the CF poll ! Given its a sample of aged Cable enthusiasts, not bad

Which poll are you looking at - because I am not see this as it currently stands at 30 total votes?

They are not joint campaigns.

Labour is not a Remain Party, with Jeremy Corbyn at the helm, so cannot include their totals for the leave camp.

Conservatives are trying to deliver Brexit, despite their FUBAR attempt. so we can include theirs.

So BREX and Con totals are 14.

LD + Greens + SNP + ChUK's = 12.

Not voting cannot be included either way.

Leave is currently winning, if were to total up all the different parties - but the parties are not merging or campaigning as one movement, so we're not going to join the totals.

[Mr K]

If you say so Mick, it's your poll, on a representative sample You Gov watch out!

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

the vegetarian party aren't doing very well.

But we'll live longer, and have a clear conscience, so we'll take that

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Angua

As 44% of our export trade is with the EU, government knows they need to protect that. Of necessity they are looking at leave options that do the least damage to trade.

mrmistoffelees scenario needs the addition, that the meal is in a restaurant that they want to be able to continue to patronise, even if they want the freedom to patronise other restaurants unfettered as well.

Ah - but Leave means that in the "other restaurants" carrots don't have to be a certain length and bananas don't have to have a certain curvature - you know what I mean.

[Angua]

Interesting piece by Sky's political correspondence Lewis Goodall.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Ah - but Leave means that in the "other restaurants" carrots don't have to be a certain length and bananas don't have to have a certain curvature - you know what I mean.

This has been proven many times to be untrue - sad to see it still being promulgated...

And the carrots standard was about carrots being a certain width at one end to be a Class 1 carrot, not length, and that ruling was scrapped in 2008...

Bananas

A Brussels ban on bendy bananas is one of the EU’s most persistent myths.

Bananas have always been classified by quality and size for international trade. Because the standards, set by individual governments and the industry, were confusing, the European Commission was asked to draw up new rules.

Commission regulation 2257/94 decreed that bananas in general should be “free from malformation or abnormal curvature”. Those sold as “extra class” must be perfect, “class 1” can have “slight defects of shape” and “class 2” can have full-scale “defects of shape”.

Nothing is banned under the regulation, which sets grading rules requested by industry to make sure importers – including UK wholesalers and supermarkets – know exactly what they will be getting when they order a box of bananas.

Oh great, you’ve killed one poxy myth about something in regards to the corrupted EU. Hang on, let’s see if this changes my stance on leaving.... Um.. huh... Still No!!!

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

Oh great, you’ve killed one poxy myth about something in regards to the corrupted EU. Hang on, let’s see if this changes my stance on leaving.... Um.. huh... Still No!!!

Sounds as if the Banana myth was news to you Mick

May there are other myths .....

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Sounds as if the Banana myth was news to you Mick May there are other myths .....

There are 650 myths according to this.

https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK...hs-a-z-index./