Government & Post Election Discussion

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by denphone

Indeed there are no excuses for not voting as we have already done ours by postal vote.

Really? How about there is no-one on the ballot paper whose policies I agree with?

[denphone]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Really? How about there is no-one on the ballot paper whose policies I agree with?

You vote for the best of of a bad bunch then if that is how you feel pip.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by denphone

You vote for the best of of a bad bunch then if that is how you feel pip.

Or stand for election yourself !

I've just about ruled everybody out apart from the Greens. As the EU elections have a more fair PR system it's not a wasted.vote.

[tweetiepooh]

I'd still just vote for one candidate, PR is a daft system but that's all been covered before.

[denphone]

Damian Green suggests modelling social care provision on state pension.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...-state-pension

Social care provision should be modelled on the state pension, with taxpayers funding a flat-rate “universal care entitlement”, which patients could supplement from their own funds, according to former Conservative cabinet minister Damian Green.

Under the plans, some patients could also buy an insurance-style “care supplement”, to fund a higher standard of provision, perhaps by releasing part of the value of their property.

But the government has repeatedly delayed publishing a long-promised green paper on a new long-term funding model, fearing a backlash such as that following the announcement in the party’s 2017 general election manifesto of what became known as the “dementia tax”.

The Times had an article about it as well - they sound like reasonable propositions to me.

There is a growing need, and it will need to be paid for.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c...6522591b6d45fb

In a report for the Centre for Policy Studies think tank, Mr Green calculated that introducing a free entitlement to basic care at home or in a residential home would cost about £2.5 billion extra a year.

To pay for this he suggested that the winter fuel allowance, a tax-free payment of between £100 and £300, be withdrawn from pensioners who pay higher rate income tax. This would raise about £350 million a year. The rest could be funded with extra money from the Treasury’s spending review or, in the longer term, by imposing an additional national insurance rate of 1 per cent on the over-50s. This would mean that older taxpayers paid an extra £308 a year and would raise £2.4 billion.

The report suggested that a standard entitlement to universal social care would include a set number of hours of care at home per week or a bed in a care home with a minimum level of service, with people able to make top-up payments for extra services.

To pay for this he suggested that the winter fuel allowance, a tax-free payment of between £100 and £300, be withdrawn from pensioners who pay higher rate income tax. This would raise about £350 million a year. The rest could be funded with extra money from the Treasury’s spending review or, in the longer term, by imposing an additional national insurance rate of 1 per cent on the over-50s. This would mean that older taxpayers paid an extra £308 a year and would raise £2.4 billion.

Never going to happen.

They'll increase it on the under 40s most likely.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Damien

Never going to happen.

They'll increase it on the under 40s most likely.

They are reasonable proposals but personally l would be surprised if they happen as l can see the government just kicking the can further down the road as usual.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Hugh

The Times had an article about it as well - they sound like reasonable propositions to me.

There is a growing need, and it will need to be paid for.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c...6522591b6d45fb

It's a great way to get all the over 50's Conservative voters to vote for another party .

[denphone]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

It's a great way to get all the over 50's Conservative voters to vote for another party .

Given the omnishambles of the last 3 years they might already have decided they are going to do that.

Originally Posted by papa smurf

It's a great way to get all the over 50's Conservative voters to vote for another party .

Not if they're fiscally sensible - this will save them having to sell their homes to pay for care.

If they can't work that out, more fool them.

People are living longer, this costs the country more, the only money Government has comes from taxes (mostly), so if more is being paid out, more needs to be collected.

[richard s]

Stuff Damian Green... I have paid into the system for over 47 years. Lets get more Tax out of Amazon and companies like them to pay into the coffers.

Originally Posted by Hugh

Not if they're fiscally sensible - this will save them having to sell their homes to pay for care.

If they can't work that out, more fool them.

People are living longer, this costs the country more, the only money Government has comes from taxes (mostly), so if more is being paid out, more needs to be collected.

Originally Posted by richard s

Stuff Damian Green... I have paid into the system for over 47 years. Lets get more Tax out of Amazon and companies like them to pay into the coffers.

There rests the case for the Defence, M'lud...

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Damien

Never going to happen.

They'll increase it on the under 40s most likely.

Damien Green is a prominent Conservative MP, reporting to a Conservative Government.

As the government knows that it must tackle the problem of elder care, there is no way they are going to ignore this.

It sounds doable to me if the figures add up as he suggests.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Damien Green is a prominent Conservative MP, reporting to a Conservative Government.

As the government knows that it must tackle the problem of elder care, there is no way they are going to ignore this.

It sounds doable to me if the figures add up as he suggests.

It's like pensions - people have to take some personal responsibility...