Brexit - Page 57

**Mick** · 30-03-2019, 15:49

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Hyperbolic language doesn’t help either side...

Bollocks - Nothing was exaggerated. He was ousted for shunting his manifesto commitments, which was honouring a democratic result, so quite rightly, the association has had enough and in another form of democracy, he was ousted, he got what he deserved.

papa smurf · 30-03-2019, 16:14

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Originally Posted by Mick

Bollocks - Nothing was exaggerated. He was ousted for shunting his manifesto commitments, which was honouring a democratic result, so quite rightly, the association has had enough and in another form of democracy, he was ousted, he got what he deserved.

Brought down by a peoples vote eh.

jfman · 30-03-2019, 16:55

My local social club appears to have more members than the Conservatives in
Grieve’s constituency.

Sephiroth · 30-03-2019, 17:32

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Originally Posted by jfman

My local social club appears to have more members than the Conservatives in
Grieve’s constituency.

Good point. When (if) we get as Conservative Party members to vote on a PM choice, there won't be too many of us left!

ianch99 · 30-03-2019, 18:59

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Originally Posted by jfman

My local social club appears to have more members than the Conservatives in
Grieve’s constituency.

Not only are there not many of them, they seem as extreme as Labour's equivalent activists. When last polled, 76% would choose no deal over remain.

Pierre · 30-03-2019, 20:55

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Originally Posted by jfman

My local social club appears to have more members than the Conservatives in
Grieve’s constituency.

Well if anyone is affronted by the process, and result, they can always join.

jfman · 30-03-2019, 21:04

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Well if anyone is affronted by the process, and result, they can always join.

Not sure it’s practical to move house to do so.

It does show that the Conservatives are in a precarious position. Infiltration by ex-UKIP and others further afield on the spectrum could massively change the direction of the party, much like Momentum did to Labour.

OLD BOY · 30-03-2019, 22:04

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Originally Posted by jfman

My local social club appears to have more members than the Conservatives in
Grieve’s constituency.

Yes, Grieve wasn't one of the Conservatives' best performers. About time they replaced him as he does seem to have lost the plot.

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Not only are there not many of them, they seem as extreme as Labour's equivalent activists. When last polled, 76% would choose no deal over remain.

Obviously quite an intelligent electorate, then.

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Originally Posted by jfman

Not sure it’s practical to move house to do so.

It does show that the Conservatives are in a precarious position. Infiltration by ex-UKIP and others further afield on the spectrum could massively change the direction of the party, much like Momentum did to Labour.

Brexit is a divisive issue for all parties, frankly.

If you really think that Labour are in a better position than the Conservatives on the Brexit question, you are not paying attention.

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Originally Posted by denphone

The Conservative Party has always done well when it represents itself as a broad church but it is increasingly becoming a narrow, intolerant sect and once down that road it becomes increasingly unelectable IMO and personally l can see a big split coming down the road..

l don't agree with some of Dominic Grieve views but once you start to treat a politician who is well respected across all parties then you are on a downhill path.

Dominic Grieve, I'm afraid, is one of those MPs who has disrupted the process to the extent that it has caused the degree of public dissatisfaction with the way in which our road to Brexit has been blocked.

I have absolutely no sympathy with him. Call himself a democrat? Pull the other one. The nation voted to LEAVE.

Let's jolly well leave, then. And if they won't agree to leaving with a deal, then let's leave with a no deal. It's not really rocket science.

[Pauses while Project Fear protagonists sit up in protest]

jfman · 30-03-2019, 22:32

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Yes, Grieve wasn't one of the Conservatives' best performers. About time they replaced him as he does seem to have lost the plot.

Only if you mistakenly equate membership with popularity of a party, or even membership with the popularity of it’s local candidate.

If either of the above were true Labour would run away with elections.

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Obviously quite an intelligent electorate, then.

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Brexit is a divisive issue for all parties, frankly.

If you really think that Labour are in a better position than the Conservatives on the Brexit question, you are not paying attention.

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Dominic Grieve, I'm afraid, is one of those MPs who has disrupted the process to the extent that it has caused the degree of public dissatisfaction with the way in which our road to Brexit has been blocked.

I have absolutely no sympathy with him. Call himself a democrat? Pull the other one. The nation voted to LEAVE.

Let's jolly well leave, then. And if they won't agree to leaving with a deal, then let's leave with a no deal. It's not really rocket science.

[Pauses while Project Fear protagonists sit up in protest]

You’ve ignored the option to extend. Did you miss the last two weeks?

Polling indicates the public would vote to remain. So MPs are doing a grand job in that respect.

The Sunday Telegraph and Mail on Sunday have some bad news for the Tories.

https://twitter.com/britainelects/st...222511110?s=21

**Mick** · 31-03-2019, 00:01

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Originally Posted by jfman

Only if you mistakenly equate membership with popularity of a party, or even membership with the popularity of it’s local candidate.

If either of the above were true Labour would run away with elections.

You’ve ignored the option to extend. Did you miss the last two weeks?

Polling indicates the public would vote to remain. So MPs are doing a grand job in that respect.

The Sunday Telegraph and Mail on Sunday have some bad news for the Tories.

https://twitter.com/britainelects/st...222511110?s=21

More flawed rubbish. The polls indicated a Remain result prior to Referendum in 2016 and look how that turned out for you.

jfman · 31-03-2019, 00:18

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Originally Posted by Mick

More flawed rubbish. The polls indicated a Remain result prior to Referendum in 2016 and look how that turned out for you.

https://ig.ft.com/sites/brexit-polling/

That’s not actually true. Plenty showed a leave win and most were within the margin of error.

June 9th 2016 onwards, the final two weeks, leave tracked above remain in most polls.

Post-March 29th polling will be interesting. It was a psychologically important date for so long.

**Mick** · 31-03-2019, 00:24

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Originally Posted by jfman

https://ig.ft.com/sites/brexit-polling/

That’s not actually true. Plenty showed a leave win and most were within the margin of error.

June 9 onwards, the final two weeks, leave tracked above remain in most polls.

Don’t lie. Poll after poll showed a Solid Remain win.

jfman · 31-03-2019, 00:28

Are you accusing the Financial Times of maintaining an inaccurate list of polling data? That’s quite astonishing really. The media might have given more prominence to polls they prefer, but there were certainly polls out there from recognised organisations that showed a leave lead.

**Mick** · 31-03-2019, 00:35

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Originally Posted by jfman

Are you accusing the Financial Times of maintaining an inaccurate list of polling data? That’s quite astonishing really. The media might have given more prominence to polls they prefer, but there were certainly polls out there from recognised organisations that showed a leave lead.

No they did not. Stop lying. The pollsters got it wrong in 2016 for foolishly leaning for a Remain win. I remember them well. I couldn’t give a shit what the FT says.

jfman · 31-03-2019, 00:40

You can’t reasonably accuse me of lying when I present a record maintained by the Financiial Times.

Anyone with the time or inclination could go back and find releases from the respective organisations and test the veracity of the figures.

Yes there were, albeit less, remain polls in the last two weeks but that’s the nature of the statistical margin of error projecting such a close result.