Brexit

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

They're still counting the indicative votes. The expectation is no majority for any option but they want/hope for clear leaders to eliminate some and vote again next week.

This is what they should have done before invoking Article 50. Sounds like there have been some really good speeches.

Ken Clarks UK-Wide Custom's Union only just lost by a few votes.
Second Referendum was close too.

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No Deal 160-400
Common Market 2.0 188-283
EEA 65-377
Customs Union 264-272
Lab 237-307
Revocation 184-293
2 ref 268-295
Malthouse B 139-422

Customs Union v close.

May's Deal + Customs Union?

2nd Ref is runner up.

[denphone]

Checkmate you could say..

I think if May added a Customs Union to the deal it would be done.

DUP would back it surely. The risk to them is the backstop being solved by cutting off Northern Ireland. The backstop is gone.

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2nd referendum did far better than I thought. Common Market 2.0 did awful. Remainers thinking they can win the whole thing.

[denphone]

Adam Bolton from Sky News.

Govt will try and bring MV3 this week, if it doesn’t or loses Speaker says most popular proposals will be brought back for further vote on Monday according to agreed procedure earlier today.

This is just nuts. No majority for anything ... so much for Parliament taking over and fixing everything. They must now accept that the executive has done its job and ratify the WA, surely?

If we take May's deal as the benchmark then in order of least failure:

- Ken Clark's Customs Union
- Public Vote (on May's Deal or May's Deal + Customs Union)
- Labour's deal I don't understand
- Common Market 2
- Revocation

Originally Posted by Damien

If we take May's deal as the benchmark then in order of least failure:

- Ken Clark's Customs Union
- Public Vote (on May's Deal or May's Deal + Customs Union)
- Labour's deal I don't understand
- Common Market 2
- Revocation

You might as well rearrange deckchairs on the Titanic. Every one of those proposals failed. Every single one. Parliament is a disgrace.

Originally Posted by Chris

This is just nuts. No majority for anything ... so much for Parliament taking over and fixing everything. They must now accept that the executive has done its job and ratify the WA, surely?

The assumption is MPs voted tactically to eliminate the 'soft' Brexit options they do not support. The SNP for example did not vote for the Common Market because they wanted to boost the chances of Second Referendum. The reveal of the results might cause shifts now.

For example Tories might file in behind Customs Union because it's so close to getting a majority and is the easiest to implement with May's agreement. It might also be possible some people voted Revoke and not Second referendum. They might shift. Common Market 2.0 supporters could split between Customs Union and Referendum.

It's run-off time. I think Ken Clark's Customs Union will get a majority next week.

BBC now playing footage of Corbyn wailing earlier today that the Prime Minister has failed because she can’t build a consensus. How hollow he sounds now.

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Originally Posted by Damien

The assumption is MPs voted tactically to eliminate the 'soft' Brexit options they do not support. The SNP for example did not vote for the Common Market because they wanted to boost the chances of Second Referendum. The reveal of the results might cause shifts now.

For example Tories might file in behind Customs Union because it's so close to getting a majority and is the easiest to implement with May's agreement. It might also be possible some people voted Revoke and not Second referendum. They might shift. Common Market 2.0 supporters could split between Customs Union and Referendum.

It's run-off time. I think Ken Clark's Customs Union will get a majority next week.

The paper ballots were supposed to stop people looking over their shoulders in the lobbies and voting tactically. If they were actually still all sitting there with their papers poring over the options and trying to second guess each other then that’s actually worse in my view. We are at a point of national crisis, Parliament had the chance to draw a line under it, but instead they decided to play political games. Disgraceful.

10 Tories voted to revoke Article 50! Revoke! Mental.

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Originally Posted by Chris

The paper ballots were supposed to stop people looking over their shoulders in the lobbies and voting tactically. If they were actually still all sitting there with their papers poring over the options and trying to second guess each other then that’s actually worse in my view. We are at a point of national crisis, Parliament had the chance to draw a line under it, but instead they decided to play political games. Disgraceful.

Well yeah but that is absolutely what they did and what we expected them to do. The concept of voting again next week with the most popular options remaining was already priced into the decision making.

IMO The shock is how well the most radical options did. I thought people would naturally drift to Common Market 2.0/Norway as the middle ground but instead they went off to the extremes of 2nd Referendum. Revoke did better than May's deal!

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DUP abstained on Customs Union but theoretically I think they would support it in the end. The votes are there if the Government wrote it into the political declaration.

[Dave42]

one thing is certain no way will they let there be a no deal Brexit

Clarke’s UK’s wide Customs Union and the Confimatory public vote both got more votes that Mays deal

I'll never understand why the ERG didn't go for May's Deal, especially the 2nd time when it was clear what was happening. I don't know what they thought would happen but after the deal failed they were reportedly cheering and humming the Great Escape.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Damien

They're still counting the indicative votes. The expectation is no majority for any option but they want/hope for clear leaders to eliminate some and vote again next week.

Every indicitave vote was defeated.

[Gavin78]

Makes me laugh how they take a chunk out of May but couldn't even pull a deal off themselves.