Brexit - Page 15

mrmistoffelees · 21-03-2019, 09:29

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

This is nor Brexit, it's the Withdrawal Agreement now. Leavers should save their energy for the trade agreement not the warm up gig

This is a part of Brexit, i think you're splitting hairs here.

People wanting to remain will do what they can within the legal limits* at every point in the process.

*Obviously there may be one or two idiots, the above is not attempting to paint all remainers as angels

**Damien** · 21-03-2019, 09:30

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Originally Posted by Mick

And there is going to be a completely pointless, Million march Sat in the London bubble yet agai, yawn, to oppose Brexit. When will people learn, marches don’t work. NHS, Miners strike, Iraq war, they don’t work?!?!?!

They don't work.

I do think they allow people to vent their frustration though. The Iraq War one is an example because 15 years on people still remember that march. It won't change the result next week but they'll hope it's big enough for it to be remembered and noted when people look back on this time.

**Mick** · 21-03-2019, 09:30

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Over 1/2 a million now ..

Just seen this remark on Twitter, sums up this petition/march farce quite nicely:

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”Footstamping from Remainers til the bitter end. Another pointless petition that prolongs their anguish. It’s been like a three-year toddler tantrum. Difference is, my toddlers are bored of Brexit.”

denphone · 21-03-2019, 09:36

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Originally Posted by Damien

They don't work.

I do think they allow people to vent their frustration though. The Iraq War one is an example because 15 years on people still remember that march. It won't change the result next week but they'll hope it's big enough for it to be remembered and noted when people look back on this time.

Whether one agrees with them or not they are entitled to march as this is a free country at the end of the day..

1andrew1 · 21-03-2019, 09:51

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Originally Posted by Mick

Just seen this remark on Twitter, sums up this petition/march farce quite nicely:

That kind of inflammatory language from the Twitter poster is not conducive to constructive debate.

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Originally Posted by Damien

They don't work.

Depends what their objectives are. In the case of the Iraq War, it was successful in showing to the rest of the World that a lot of the country did not support the Government's position.
In the case of the People's Vote, it will act as reminder to the Government that there's more out there to placate than just the ERG and DUP. And if they're well organized and strong on PR then even more so.

**Mick** · 21-03-2019, 09:53

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Originally Posted by denphone

Whether one agrees with them or not they are entitled to march as this is a free country at the end of the day..

Never said they were not entitled, it’s just a pointless foot stamping process, last chance saloon for Remainers to get their voices heard and I don’t doubt it will probably be over a million, it’s just not a way we measure true democracy, that is done at the ballot box.

Anyway, in just 8 days... we are either going to accept May’s deal and leave EU after short extension...(very unlikely) or...

...Reject May’s deal and leave EU on 29th, no deal. (Highly likely)

1andrew1 · 21-03-2019, 09:58

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

This is a part of Brexit, i think you're splitting hairs here.

People wanting to remain will do what they can within the legal limits* at every point in the process.

*Obviously there may be one or two idiots, the above is not attempting to paint all remainers as angels

The argument for Brexit has been won and the Withdrawal Agreement reflects this. The argument for the form of Brexit has not. That's why the ERG and DUP need to support this agreement and then make their case during trade negotiations. If they supported it, most Tory MPs would too. They are the log jam through an obsession with s clean Brexit, not Remainers.

**Damien** · 21-03-2019, 10:04

I think the People's Vote campaign should pivot into what comes next instead. There is still the withdrawal agreement and the transition period that comes with it to influence, we leave the EU but then comes the battle to decide what the future relationship with the EU will actually be. Obviously they'll have to change the name....

papa smurf · 21-03-2019, 10:08

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Originally Posted by Mick

Just seen this remark on Twitter, sums up this petition/march farce quite nicely:

These remainers do like a good day out waving bits of cardboard around.

mrmistoffelees · 21-03-2019, 10:11

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

These remainers do like a good day out waving bits of cardboard around.

A touch antagonistic i think.

Must be the lack of pies in the diet you're not normally like this

papa smurf · 21-03-2019, 10:18

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

A touch antagonistic i think.

Must be the lack of pies in the diet you're not normally like this

Lost 1 stone in two weeks

I think i was just as acerbic about the last cardboard waving day

nomadking · 21-03-2019, 10:35

I keep wondering why the EU insists on a NI backstop, when the reverse situation will exist even with the Withdrawal Agreement. EG Turkey is in a Customs Union with the EU, once we leave the EU, we are no longer in a customs union with Turkey. We have to apply tariffs to Turkish goods. How do we do that?

EU-Turkey Customs Union

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Both Turkey and the UK will lose duty-free access to each other’s markets post-Brexit since the UK will no longer be part of the EU-Turkey BPTF, unless and until the UK negotiates such access (with the EU or through a separate arrangement with Turkey).

And of course under the Withdrawal Agreement we can't come to an agreement with Turkey or anybody else until the EU gives us permission.

heero_yuy · 21-03-2019, 11:44

I don't think Turkish trade is something to get all fretful over:

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Quote from the FT:

While trade is growing, Turkey is not currently a large market for the UK, accounting for about 1 per cent of UK’s goods and services exports and for a marginally higher proportion of its imports.

mrmistoffelees · 21-03-2019, 11:50

Unfortunately, i don't think it will change anything but

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47652071

being signed by 40,000 people an hour is some going and it crashed the site too

**Mick** · 21-03-2019, 12:24

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Unfortunately, i don't think it will change anything but

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47652071

being signed by 40,000 people an hour is some going and it crashed the site too

Interestingly, I’ve just seen claims other Countries are able to sign that petition, thought this wasn’t possible.

The map of counties that have signed looks very odd.

I sense foul play with it, if all you need is a UK address and an email address to verify.