Brexit - Page 11

pip08456 · 20-03-2019, 20:58

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Originally Posted by Pierre

That might have been the interpretation at 10:45 this morning, no so much now. Things move fast around here.

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Yes, i predict she will say to the nation, it’s the deal or no deal, I Also think the EU will will also take that position.

Taking way the safety net from parliament that voted to reject no deal, which was never in their power anyway.

It’s the end game. The choice is clear, there is no third way.

Pierre · 20-03-2019, 21:09

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Originally Posted by Jimmy-J

I just heard that May is hardening to a no deal.

Her legacy is this deal. She will push for this, she has the EU backing her.

The EU have set the condition, extension only for agreement of deal.

May has played it perfectly.

Any MP that voted to take No Deal off the table has to vote for the deal, otherwise it will be No Deal and there’s nothing they can do about it.

You can slag her off, but i predict she will win. If parliament vote down her deal, and de facto invoke No Deal, that’s on them, not her.

For the record, i think her deal is a decent effort.

Labour have always just obfuscated and just want a GE, now that’s not no way going to happen so will be interesting to see how their MPs respond.

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Originally Posted by jfman

Having threatened the ERG she’s now onto threatening the remainers. There’s zero chance of no deal, without an active choice by both Government and Parliament to facilitate it.

apart from revoking A50 they have no power to stop A50.

**Damien** · 20-03-2019, 21:14

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Originally Posted by Pierre

You can slag her off, but i predict she will win. If parliament vote down her deal, and de facto invoke No Deal, that’s on them, not her.

For the record, i think her deal is a decent effort.

Labour have always just obfuscated and just want a GE, now that’s not no way going to happen so will be interesting to see how their MPs respond.

I agree her deal is a decent effort but she is the Prime Minister and if there is a no deal and consequences are on her as well as Parliament. She is leading this process, just about.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy-J

Rumour has it Corbyn walks out of meeting with PM because independent party were there.

Will meet with Hamas and the IRA but the Independent Group is a step too far.

Utter child.

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BTW I think Remainers in Parliament are gambling on a long extension if the deal is voted down since technically it wasn't ruled out but I think they are miscalculating because who would ask for it?

jfman · 20-03-2019, 21:15

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Originally Posted by Pierre

apart from revoking A50 they have no power to stop A50.

Government can extend any time it pleases if the EU agrees. You are taking a very literal interpretation of Tusk’s remarks. He didn’t rule a longer extension out.

On top of that there’s always the potential to replace the Government for MPs.

**Hugh** · 20-03-2019, 21:17

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Her legacy is this deal. She will push for this, she has the EU backing her.

The EU have set the condition, extension only for agreement of deal.

May has played it perfectly.

Any MP that voted to take No Deal off the table has to vote for the deal, otherwise it will be No Deal and there’s nothing they can do about it.

You can slag her off, but i predict she will win. If parliament vote down her deal, and de facto invoke No Deal, that’s on them, not her.

For the record, i think her deal is a decent effort.

Labour have always just obfuscated and just want a GE, now that’s not no way going to happen so will be interesting to see how their MPs respond.

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apart from revoking A50 they have no power to stop A50.

If an arsonist threatens to burn down your house unless you pay a ransom, it's not your fault if they burn your house down...

Pierre · 20-03-2019, 21:40

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Originally Posted by jfman

Government can extend any time it pleases if the EU agrees.

Yes, “if the EU agrees”. They have just stated only on condition of accepting May’s deal.

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. He didn’t rule a longer extension out.

he didn’t rule it in.

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On top of that there’s always the potential to replace the Government for MPs.

Yeah right, really helpful. Dreamland.

**Hugh** · 20-03-2019, 21:42

Well, that was a pointless update speech.

Nothing new.

**Damien** · 20-03-2019, 21:42

May starting to abuse these 'address to the nation' moments now, say something new if you're doing that.

jfman · 20-03-2019, 21:43

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Well, that was a pointless update speech.

Nothing new.

Well... she did say she’s not prepared to extend beyond 30th June.

We can chalk that up with “no general election” and “we are leaving on March 29th”.

Dave42 · 20-03-2019, 21:44

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Originally Posted by Damien

May starting to abuse these 'address to the nation' moments now, say something new if you're doing that.

nothing new at all same ole same ole she totally lost the plot

denphone · 20-03-2019, 21:45

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Well, that was a pointless update speech.

Nothing new.

Utterly pathetic..

jfman · 20-03-2019, 21:46

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Yes, “if the EU agrees”. They have just stated only on condition of accepting May’s deal.

he didn’t rule it in.

Yeah right, really helpful. Dreamland.

No need to be disrespectful because you disagree.

The leaders of the EU27 haven’t agreed anything yet.

Tusk not ruling something in or out means you cannot definitively say one way or the other what he intends.

Remember. The default position isn’t that we leave at all. The Withdrawal Act can be amended over and over.

mrmistoffelees · 20-03-2019, 21:51

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Originally Posted by Pierre

That might have been the interpretation at 10:45 this morning, no so much now. Things move fast around here.

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Yes, i predict she will say to the nation, it’s the deal or no deal, I Also think the EU will will also take that position.

Taking way the safety net from parliament that voted to reject no deal, which was never in their power anyway.

It’s the end game. The choice is clear, there is no third way.

Would you like cream, ice cream or custard to go with massive slice of humble pie you’ve just ordered?

Pierre · 20-03-2019, 21:52

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Originally Posted by Hugh

If an arsonist threatens to burn down your house unless you pay a ransom, it's not your fault if they burn your house down...

No, no.

If you ask someone to design you a new house, which they do and given the planning restrictions you’re generally happy with. Then others object to the scheme and prevent you from building your house even though in outline planning they okayed it. Then you complain that you haven’t got your new house.

Who should you complain to?

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Well, that was a pointless update speech.

Nothing new.

Brilliant speech.

And as i expected.

mrmistoffelees · 20-03-2019, 21:53

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Originally Posted by Pierre

No, no.

If you ask someone to design you a new house, which they do and given the planning restrictions you’re generally happy with. Then others object to the scheme and prevent you from building your house even though in outline planning they okayed it. Then you complain that you haven’t got your new house.

Who should you complain to?

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Brilliant speech.

And as i expected.

Well your last statement is a bare faced lie