Brexit

Originally Posted by denphone

Perhaps he is letting the train take the strain although he has to reply on it turning up in the first place.

Or it's on one of the ferries (that didn't exist) he was going to hire?

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

What are Theresa's May's choices if the EU say yes to her extension request?
- Keep on plugging away at something akin to her current deal but with a slight modification so it can be voted on again.
- Come up with a softer deal that will around some of the opposition.
- Preside over a disastrous no-deal.
- Resign and ask for another extension.

It will focus minds. The remainers will finally have to acknowledge that if they vote down the deal now, with so little time left, no deal will be inevitable.

There will be no soft Brexit. The Customs Union idea means we don't leave, and it has already been voted down.

A no-deal will not be disastrous. It will be an opportunity.

There will be no resignation, and I think the EU will only grant this small extension. So it really is TM's way or the highway, like it or lump it.

[jfman]

Old Boy you are following the flawed narrative that no deal is inevitable without this deal. That is simply not the case.

I do agree though it’s a huge opportunity for disaster capitalists and American companies who want further privatisation of the NHS etc.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Is that your business suit your wearing in the photo.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Or didn't put a stamp on....

It's delaying tactic she knows it'll take the Eu 12 years to work out who pays for the postage.

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Is that your business suit your wearing in the photo.

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It's delaying tactic she knows it'll take the Eu 12 years to work out who pays for the postage.

Don't judge me by your dress standards...

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...vPcQOnSjbAG5TQ

Interesting article.

Very. The conclusion is telling:

All this should be seen as domestic incompetence. The EU has, from day one, been reasonably accommodating and consistent in its vision for where negotiations would lead. Both sides agreed to the sequencing, both sides agreed to the inclusion of a backstop within the withdrawal agreement. Both sides tried their hardest to obey referendum-induced red lines, which in the end proved impossible to square.

The cold, hard fact of Brexit is that the hardliners poked and pushed so hard that they eventually rendered their dream unrealisable. Any and all leave voters ought to feel let down and disappointed by their actions. When opportunities for leaving presented themselves, hardliner MPs blocked them off.

In the end, the hard Brexiteer perfectionists bedazzled by cake and unicorns proved to be the obstacle that Brexit itself could not hurdle.

Written by a former Vote Leave staffer ..

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Originally Posted by jfman

I do agree though it’s a huge opportunity for disaster capitalists and American companies who want further privatisation of the NHS etc.

This has always been the case. The ERG, led by a certain Mr Mogg, seek to achieve a UK where they and their friends in business can maximise their profits at the expense of the general population.

Let's be very clear here: the ERG do not give a monkeys about the unemployed Leave voters in the North East of England.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Very. The conclusion is telling:



Written by a former Vote Leave staffer ..

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This has always been the case. The ERG, led by a certain Mr Mogg, seek to achieve a UK where they and their friends in business can maximise their profits at the expense of the general population.

Let's be very clear here: the ERG do not give a monkeys about the unemployed Leave voters in the North East of England.

Do you have any proof of this allegation ?

[1andrew1]

Breaking per FT: EU pushing back against 30th June Brexit extension; offering 23rd May.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Do you have any proof of this allegation ?

At least you didn’t oppose the other point:

Let's be very clear here: the ERG do not give a monkeys about the unemployed Leave voters in the North East of England.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Breaking per FT: EU pushing back against 30th June Brexit extension; offering 23rd May.

Good.

The shorter the better.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Chris

Good.

The shorter the better.

Ridiculous comment

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Breaking per FT: EU pushing back against 30th June Brexit extension; offering 23rd May.

They haven't received the letter from her yet.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

Old Boy you are following the flawed narrative that no deal is inevitable without this deal. That is simply not the case.

I do agree though it’s a huge opportunity for disaster capitalists and American companies who want further privatisation of the NHS etc.

It's possibly not inevitable, but it is highly likely while the current impasse lasts. What other solution is there? What if there's no agreement in the Commons to extend the deal? 29 March is only next week! There's no time for anything except a no deal if an extension isn't agreed, nor for Theresa May's deal if Bercow won't allow a further vote.

The EU is clearly not going to re-negotiate at this late stage and with the Commons in disarray.

The people must, and will, be heard!

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Let's be very clear here: the ERG do not give a monkeys about the unemployed Leave voters in the North East of England.

The number of unemployed in the UK is still coming down and now stands at its lowest ever level. Despite Brexit uncertainty.

[jfman]

Excellent news Theresa May is not prepared to extend Brexit beyond June.

I have never been more confident of our EU membership continuing into July.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It's possibly not inevitable, but it is highly likely while the current impasse lasts. What other solution is there? What if there's no agreement in the Commons to extend the deal? 29 March is only next week! There's no time for anything except a no deal if an extension isn't agreed, nor for Theresa May's deal if Bercow won't allow a further vote.

The EU is clearly not going to re-negotiate at this late stage and with the Commons in disarray.

The people must, and will, be heard!

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Unemployed voters in the North East of England? I thought unemployment was at its lowest level ever. And it's still coming down.

Time to update your song sheet, I think, you must have the 2010 version!

The Commons don’t have to agree with an extension of Article 50. The Government exercises that through Royal Perogative. It leaves us in breach of treaty obligations only, but legally within the EU.

You are also conflating record levels of employment and low unemployment. Your assumption works only if the population is a fixed number, which it isn’t.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

Excellent news Theresa May is not prepared to extend Brexit beyond June.

I have never been more confident of our EU membership continuing into July.

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The Commons don’t have to agree with an extension of Article 50. The Government exercises that through Royal Perogative. It leaves us in breach of treaty obligations only, but legally within the EU.

You are also conflating record levels of employment and low unemployment. Your assumption works only if the population is a fixed number, which it isn’t.

Never mind Theresa May. The EU won't even allow that long.