Brexit (Old)

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

That surely says a lot about the ERG's distance from reality.

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The point is still a valid one regardless of diversions around spelling and what a particular PM may have done or not done ten years ago - Farage looks desperate. He may well not be but he looks it.

The point is irrelevant especially when Remainers behave the same way, you appear to be another with double standards.

The obsession with Farage, by some of you is pathetic, just because he is a Brexit champion and actually believes in democracy and it’s values. I don’t see desperation. I see annoyance and so he should be, along with 17.4 Million people.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Chris

There are some in the ERG who, deep down, hope that something like that might happen...

Yes mogg for a start, he's hoping the Queen will 'prorogue' parliament

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

The ERG should be renamed to ‘Moggmentum" - they are exactly the same as Momentum, only in the Right Wing.

What? As an anti-semitic bunch of thugs?

[denphone]

ERG are much more suited to Nigel Farage's old party rather then the Conservative party..

[heero_yuy]

17.4 million lions led by 650 donkeys.

Originally Posted by Mick

The obsession with Farage, by some of you is pathetic, just because he is a Brexit champion and actually believes in democracy and it’s values.

He said there should be a second referendum if Leave lost.

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy

17.4 million lions led by 650 donkeys.

66 million. They represent everyone.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

17.4 million lions led by 650 donkeys.

Potentially Lions, but, also just as equally, potentially Lemmings

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Chris

If Brexit has revealed anything, it’s how little many people understand of parliamentary procedures and the difference between a motion designed to exhibit the will of the House and a Bill which must go through several distinct phases before coming into force as an Act which makes, amends or repeals law.

Also, what is the role of a member of parliament? Is it to be a delegate of the people of their constituents or a trustee for their constituency?

Edmund Burke said in 1774;

'Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays, instead of serving you, if he sacrifices it to your opinion … Parliament is not a congress of ambassadors from different and hostile interests, which interests each must maintain, as an agent and advocate, against other agents and advocates; but parliament is a deliberative assembly of one nation, with one interest, that of the whole; where, not local purposes, not local prejudices ought to guide, but the general good, resulting from the general reason of the whole. You choose a member indeed; but when you have chosen him, he is not member of Bristol, but he is a member of parliament.'

Winston Churchill said in 1954;

'The first duty of a member of Parliament is to do what he thinks in his faithful and disinterested judgement is right and necessary for the honour and safety of Great Britain. His second duty is to his constituents, of whom he is the representative but not the delegate. Burke's famous declaration on this subject is well known. It is only in the third place that his duty to party organization or programme takes rank. All these three loyalties should be observed, but there in no doubt of the order in which they stand under any healthy manifestation of democracy.'

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

Also, what is the role of a member of parliament? Is it to be a delegate of the people of their constituents or a trustee for their constituency?

Edmund Burke said in 1774;



Winston Churchill said in 1954;

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

Also, what is the role of a member of parliament? Is it to be a delegate of the people of their constituents or a trustee for their constituency?

Edmund Burke said in 1774;



Winston Churchill said in 1954;

And if they get it wrong, we'll vote them out next time.

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

And if they get it wrong, we'll vote them out next time.

That's the good thing about our democracy - the people get to change their mind if they don't like they way things are going (that is unless it's a non binding referendum).

[Carth]

Mark Twain said; “Politicians and diapers must be changed often, and for the same reason.”

[jfman]

A truly historic, yet embarrassingly predictable, set of events in the history of our country. We’ve no plans for Brexit, no political will for Brexit and the politicians aren’t taking responsibility.

Of course, “Europe will blink at the last minute” was the mantra and here we are - the last hope for Brexit on March 29th is Europe facilitating it! Even then I wouldn’t rule out our politicians unilaterally riscinding it.

Even under the plan we devised six months ago we are admitting we need a 3 month technical extension. I’d laugh uncontrollably if the EU rejected an extension - we’ve essentially admitted we aren’t ready so it’d be an excellent demonstration to other Member States considering leaving of what the actual consequences are.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Well, 2 years didn't focus minds...

Yes it did. Those that are determined to stop Brexit and overturn democracy.
Link.

As of now, it looks as if they’ve won. They’re certainly well ahead on away goals.

Ruling out No Deal effectively means No Brexit.
Be in no doubt that what we are witnessing is a coup against the people. There may
not be tanks on the streets, but it’s a coup all the same. A few hundred MPs have
decided to defy the will of the 17,410,742 British citizens who voted to leave the EU. It
was the largest number of people to have voted for anything in our proud history.
But the majority of ‘Hon members’ have been determined to overturn the referendum
result, despite repeatedly promising to ‘respect’ it. The electorate is being treated with
undisguised contempt. If they get away with it — which they probably will — Britain
will have ceased to be a proper democracy.
Any chance of securing a dignified exit from the EU was scuppered on Wednesday
night, when MPs voted to take No Deal off the table.
What’s the point of entering any kind of negotiation when your opponents know
there’s no chance of you walking away without a deal, no matter how derisory?
About the same as agreeing to pay a £39 billion bill up front, I guess, without knowing
what you’re going to get in return. If you’re not prepared to walk away empty-handed,
you’re going to get taken to the cleaners.
Curiously, one of the proposers of the No Deal motion was Labour MP Jack Dromey,
a former trades union official and husband of Harriet Harman.
Jack used to be a national officer with the TGWU, now Unite. Somehow I can’t ever
imagine him going into talks with an employer, on his hands and knees,
promising that he’d take whatever pathetic pay rise they decided to offer and
guaranteeing there was no danger that his members would go on strike. He’d
have been lynched as a class traitor.

[daveeb]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

That's the good thing about our democracy - the people get to change their mind if they don't like they way things are going (that is unless it's a non binding referendum).

Originally Posted by Carth

Mark Twain said; “Politicians and diapers must be changed often, and for the same reason.”

Agree with both of these statements !