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**Mick** · 13-03-2019, 12:45

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Originally Posted by Damien

Remainers were always going to get blamed anyway. Search my posts after the result and I said when we don’t get the brilliant outcomes the Leave campaign ‘suggested’ that they’ll blame Remainers. The people who ran the campaign don’t have responsibility for enacting it and spent three years running away from it.

May had the task of actually doing it.

And I have repeatedly told you that how the hell can Brexiteers enact it when they were not in government or steering the ship ???

It's not rocket science.

This is a Remainer led farce because there is Remainers at the helm.

May did not have the task of actually doing it at all either, she's so incredibly weak and let the EU and Remainers in her inner circle completely walk all over her, but that appears to have been her intention all along, hence why I say, it should have been a Brexiteer in the Captains chair!!!

**Maggy** · 13-03-2019, 12:47

The thought occurs that they did have a chance to be in charge when Cameron ran away..Why didn't they?

**Mick** · 13-03-2019, 13:03

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

The thought occurs that they did have a chance to be in charge when Cameron ran away..Why didn't they?

Because there is that little thing called a Leadership bid, that saw Theresa May win.

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Originally Posted by denphone

Exactly as it was the Brexit side who won the referendum so its up to them to facilitate Brexit and our withdrawal from the EU which in these past near on three years they have up to now made a complete omnishambles of.

No it is not exactly at all - How can they facilitate it when they are not in charge... ???

Give them the chance to be in charge and it would be a total different story, we've been completely bowled over by the EU with Remainers sabotaging negotiations, revealing our hand so publicly, demanding no deal removed from the table former MPs and Prime Ministers, who are staunch Remainers meeting with Michel Barnier. You got war monger Tony Blair running around in the background too.

denphone · 13-03-2019, 13:07

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Originally Posted by Mick

Give them the chance to be in charge and it would be a total different story, we've been completely bowled over by the EU with Remainers sabotaging negotiations, revealing or hand so publicly, demanding no deal removed from the table former MPs and Prime Ministers, who are staunch Remainers meeting with Michel Barnier. You got war monger Tony Blair running around in the background too.

But they had a chance to try to take charge when there was the Conservative leadership contest but the Brexiteer candidates were more interested in warring among themselves for their own personal political benefits rather then uniting to make sure they had a strong Brexiteer candidate in the leadership contest where then they could possibly win and take charge of events.

**Mick** · 13-03-2019, 13:19

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Why would the remain side do anything to facilitate something they so vehemently disagree with?

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Because they lost the Referendum to stay, so democracy has to prevail but you're right, they didn't have to and they quite clearly have done everything to thwart the result and we are, where we are...

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Originally Posted by denphone

But they had a chance to try to take charge when there was the Conservative leadership contest but the Brexiteer candidates were more interested in warring among themselves for their own personal political benefits rather then uniting to make sure they had a strong Brexiteer candidate in the leadership contest where then could possibly win and take charge of events.

That's natural and common in any leadership bid.

denphone · 13-03-2019, 13:23

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Originally Posted by Mick

That's natural and common in any leadership bid.

And nothing has changed since as you can see for yourself..

**Mick** · 13-03-2019, 13:26

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Originally Posted by denphone

And nothing has changed since as you can see for yourself..

Ain't that the truth.

mrmistoffelees · 13-03-2019, 13:29

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Originally Posted by Mick

Because they lost the Referendum to stay, so democracy has to prevail but you're right, they didn't have to and they quite clearly have done everything to thwart the result and we are, where we are...

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That's natural and common in any leadership bid.

Had the result been the other way but by the same margin, Do you not think it would be roles reversed here ? I would understand completely those who want to leave doing everything could to effect change where possible.

1andrew1 · 13-03-2019, 14:23

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Obviously they aren't 'meaningful' votes if they don't accept the result !

Carry on Leaving aka keep on voting till they get the "right" result?

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Had the result been the other way but by the same margin, Do you not think it would be roles reversed here ? I would understand completely those who want to leave doing everything could to effect change where possible.

Yes, agreed, and Nigel Farage said this would be the case.
It makes sense. If you lose 70-30 you've little chance of changing people's opinions but at 52-48 you do.

**Hugh** · 13-03-2019, 14:33

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Brace yourself...but I'm told Meaningful Vote 3 has not been taken of the table.

h/t @richard_littler

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'We're not having a 2nd referendum. The will of the people is clear. You can't just keep have referendums until you're happy with the result,' says Theresa May as she submits her deal for the 3rd time.

RichardCoulter · 13-03-2019, 14:49

Didn't a couple of other countries vote to leave and then, after a second referendum, decide to stay?

Following the result, maybe the electorate in these countries foresaw the problems that we are now having whilst attempting to leave and decided it wasn't worth it when it came to the second referendum??

**Chris** · 13-03-2019, 15:27

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Didn't a couple of other countries vote to leave and then, after a second referendum, decide to stay?

Following the result, maybe the electorate in these countries foresaw the problems that we are now having whilst attempting to leave and decided it wasn't worth it when it came to the second referendum??

No country had ever held a referendum on leaving the EU before the UK in 2016.

A few countries have held referendums on EU treaties, where their constitutions required it (Ireland, for example). On several occasions a ‘no’ vote in a referendum has resulted in cosmetic changes to the proposed treaty followed by a second referendum.

RichardCoulter · 13-03-2019, 16:46

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Originally Posted by Chris

No country had ever held a referendum on leaving the EU before the UK in 2016.

A few countries have held referendums on EU treaties, where their constitutions required it (Ireland, for example). On several occasions a ‘no’ vote in a referendum has resulted in cosmetic changes to the proposed treaty followed by a second referendum.

Ok, thanks.

Going back to an earlier post you made, if a general election is called, the PM is still the PM until she is re-elected or someone else wins. Do you know the position of MP's during the election period? I ask because an MP once said at a meeting that he was the MP for X area and was told off because, during an election, he was simply a prospective parliamentary candidate along with all the others standing for election. Does this mean that they are no longer MP's as soon as an election is called ie Parliament is dissolved?

If so, it seems odd that the system that we have is a PM with no MP's and no Parliament!

It's just been on the news that the three police forces in Yorkshire have now cancelled all leave for their staff over the Brexit period. They must be forecasting civil disobedience, which I think could well happen from either side depending on the outcome of Brexit.

papa smurf · 13-03-2019, 16:52

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Ok, thanks.

The three police forces in Yorkshire have now cancelled all leave for their staff over the Brexit period. They must be forecasting civil disobedience, which I think could well happen from either side depending on the outcome of Brexit.

When exactly is the brexit period ? some are after an extension of artical 50

RichardCoulter · 13-03-2019, 17:03

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

When exactly is the brexit period ? some are after an extension of artical 50

True, they did also say that they are keeping things under review as development take place.