Brexit (Old)

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Damien

Why? The EU literally signed a trade deal with Japan the other month, an economy bigger than ours.

Yes, the country that supplies cars, electronics and whatever else to Europe. The UK on the other hand supplies . . . well, not much really

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Carth

Yes, the country that supplies cars, electronics and whatever else to Europe. The UK on the other hand supplies . . . well, not much really

Fruit & veg.


Oh, hang on a minute

[Dave42]

sammy wilson confirmed on sky news dup voting against deal

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Dave42

sammy wilson confirmed on sky news dup voting against deal

Not a surprise Dave.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by denphone

Not a surprise Dave.

no it just a matter how big defeat for deal will be Den then no deal voted down tomorrow

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Dave42

no it just a matter how big defeat for deal will be Den then no deal voted down tomorrow

In which case, either the 'no deal' option becomes law (legislation is already in place for us to leave on 29 March) or it's a General Election.

Contrary to what some think, the General Election is not such a bad idea. Parliament gets dissolved, so no more House of Commons nonsense, and Theresa May goes into the election with a mandate to deliver Brexit on a no deal basis. That will put Labour on the defensive. Most people believe that Labour is all over the place on this subject and blame Labour for being obstructive, coupled with which Jeremy Corbyn has lost his popularity and considered a dead duck, even by Labour supporters.

What could go wrong for Theresa?

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

In which case, either the 'no deal' option becomes law (legislation is already in place for us to leave on 29 March) or it's a General Election.

Contrary to what some think, the General Election is not such a bad idea. Parliament gets dissolved, so no more House of Commons nonsense, and Theresa May goes into the election with a mandate to deliver Brexit on a no deal basis. That will put Labour on the defensive. Most people believe that Labour is all over the place on this subject and blame Labour for being obstructive, coupled with which Jeremy Corbyn has lost his popularity and considered a dead duck, even by Labour supporters.

What could go wrong for Theresa?

You cannot transpose single subject Referendum with a General Election manifesto. They serve two radically different purposes. One presents a single issue and the other a spectrum of policy proposals.

You just sound desperate to suggest this ..

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

In which case, either the 'no deal' option becomes law (legislation is already in place for us to leave on 29 March) or it's a General Election.

Contrary to what some think, the General Election is not such a bad idea. Parliament gets dissolved, so no more House of Commons nonsense, and Theresa May goes into the election with a mandate to deliver Brexit on a no deal basis. That will put Labour on the defensive. Most people believe that Labour is all over the place on this subject and blame Labour for being obstructive, coupled with which Jeremy Corbyn has lost his popularity and considered a dead duck, even by Labour supporters.

What could go wrong for Theresa?

Bizarrely a Kantar/TNS poll gave the Tories a 10 point lead this week, but a general election would still be a very risky strategy. Dissolving parliament now would ensure a No Deal outcome because there would not be a new parliament in place before 29 March. There is a bit of a convention around governments (which remain in power during an election campaign) doing anything significant to the country while an election is in the offing. I’d say watching the UK leave the EU with no transition arrangements in place, and the attendant likelihood of urgent action being required, would qualify as significant. It would be constitutionally dodgy and it could well be electorally disastrous.*

However, if an extension is granted I wouldn’t rule out a snap election following shortly afterwards to try to break the deadlock. The parliamentary maths are clearly impossible as things stand, there’s no obvious way of getting any deal through parliament this month or next, and if it’s not done and dusted by May, by law we will have to hold European elections, which Nigel Farage would doubtless win by a country mile, to the embarrassment of both main parties and the EU, for whom symbols like the parliament are important and for whom the presence of Farage and his type are an insult.

*(edit) also, the last person who tried sending MPs home and governing without them because he didn’t like what he was being told was Charles I, and we know how that worked out for him.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

In which case, either the 'no deal' option becomes law (legislation is already in place for us to leave on 29 March) or it's a General Election.

Contrary to what some think, the General Election is not such a bad idea. Parliament gets dissolved, so no more House of Commons nonsense, and Theresa May goes into the election with a mandate to deliver Brexit on a no deal basis. That will put Labour on the defensive. Most people believe that Labour is all over the place on this subject and blame Labour for being obstructive, coupled with which Jeremy Corbyn has lost his popularity and considered a dead duck, even by Labour supporters.

What could go wrong for Theresa?

Theresa May said in parliament to answer to Yvette Cooper she bring in legislation to change law if no deal voted down

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by ianch99

You cannot transpose single subject Referendum with a General Election manifesto. They serve two radically different purposes. One presents a single issue and the other a spectrum of policy proposals.

You just sound desperate to suggest this ..

I am certainly desperate for the Conservatives to get a good majority so that we can get a government that can govern.

Jeremy is a dead man walking now, so there’s a better prospect this time round that we will get a Conservative majority.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I am certainly desperate for the Conservatives to get a good majority so that we can get a government that can govern.

Jeremy is a dead man walking now, so there’s a better prospect this time round that we will get a Conservative majority.

That worked so well last time she tried that...

[Dave42]

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Thanks to @breeallegretti @katewilsea who called it right on MV1

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Dave42

Theresa May said in parliament to answer to Yvette Cooper she bring in legislation to change law if no deal voted down

It will be interesting to see if she will follow that through. I think it would be a mistake to rule out no deal. What else is there that would not infuriate the voters?

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Originally Posted by Hugh

That worked so well last time she tried that...

When Jeremy was popular. Look at him now.

[Dave42]

Pound down as Brexit vote hopes fall away

https://news.sky.com/story/pound-dow...edium=referral

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Chris

Bizarrely a Kantar/TNS poll gave the Tories a 10 point lead this week, but a general election would still be a very risky strategy. Dissolving parliament now would ensure a No Deal outcome because there would not be a new parliament in place before 29 March. There is a bit of a convention around governments (which remain in power during an election campaign) doing anything significant to the country while an election is in the offing. I’d say watching the UK leave the EU with no transition arrangements in place, and the attendant likelihood of urgent action being required, would qualify as significant. It would be constitutionally dodgy and it could well be electorally disastrous.*

However, if an extension is granted I wouldn’t rule out a snap election following shortly afterwards to try to break the deadlock. The parliamentary maths are clearly impossible as things stand, there’s no obvious way of getting any deal through parliament this month or next, and if it’s not done and dusted by May, by law we will have to hold European elections, which Nigel Farage would doubtless win by a country mile, to the embarrassment of both main parties and the EU, for whom symbols like the parliament are important and for whom the presence of Farage and his type are an insult.

*(edit) also, the last person who tried sending MPs home and governing without them because he didn’t like what he was being told was Charles I, and we know how that worked out for him.

Yes, a poll and a short extension to Brexit to allow the legislation to go through is now the most plausible solution.