Brexit (Old)

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Oh no no you don’t, you implied it wasn’t valid due to the age of the article either post the evidence to support it or agree you have nothing substantive on which to base your claims

Stop trying to twist on 21

I have no interest. Your historic posting style appears to revel in discourse and antagonism, I don't come on here for that.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I have no interest. Your historic posting style appears to revel in discourse and antagonism, I don't come on here for that.

Ah so you have no evidence to counteract, you could have just said would have been much easier !!

[Carth]

'Evidence' haha

Seems to me that evidence on here . . by both sides of the argument . . often comes down to a link to a (biased? ) social media/Blog site , a polling site (skewed, not big enough sample), random articles thrown out in gay abandon by the media, articles by Professors and Experts (in the field of furthering their career), excerpts from Political (sometimes 'leaked' ) documents (who trusts politicians? ) and press releases by large (foreign owned) companies making threats and demands.

Many of the above contain the words could, may, might, possibly, potentially etc etc . . . which (to me) is the equivalent meaning of that well known phrase 'up to'

We're all being led a merry dance, nobody is right, nobody is wrong, the only 'evidence' we can trust is that which we see and hear ourselves . . which is in itself classed as 'hearsay' and inadmissible as evidence anyway

Every argument has a counter argument, we believe what we want to believe, and the real truth often hides in the silent void of the unspoken.

. . carry on while I pour another

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Here's your options.
https://flipchartfairytales.wordpres...carousel-11459

Before anyone says no-deal

The Venezuela Option – Quitting with no deal would leave us with a similar relationship to the EU as that of Venezuela. Apart from those countries not under some sort of EU sanctions, it is the only country that has no trading agreements with the EU. Having severed its relationships with the Andean Community and Mercosur, it also has acrimonious relationships with its near neighbours. As a proxy for a No Deal Brexit, then, Venezuela is as close as you can get.

But when we talk about a 'no deal' we are referring to the withdrawal agreement. Nobody has suggested we shouldn't have a trade agreement with the EU.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Carth

'Evidence' haha

Seems to me that evidence on here . . by both sides of the argument . . often comes down to a link to a (biased? ) social media/Blog site , a polling site (skewed, not big enough sample), random articles thrown out in gay abandon by the media, articles by Professors and Experts (in the field of furthering their career), excerpts from Political (sometimes 'leaked' ) documents (who trusts politicians? ) and press releases by large (foreign owned) companies making threats and demands.

Many of the above contain the words could, may, might, possibly, potentially etc etc . . . which (to me) is the equivalent meaning of that well known phrase 'up to'

We're all being led a merry dance, nobody is right, nobody is wrong, the only 'evidence' we can trust is that which we see and hear ourselves . . which is in itself classed as 'hearsay' and inadmissible as evidence anyway

Every argument has a counter argument, we believe what we want to believe, and the real truth often hides in the silent void of the unspoken.

. . carry on while I pour another

Have you got a link to that

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Ah so you have no evidence to counteract, you could have just said would have been much easier !!

Haven't looked.

Civil discussion and debate please - Stop bickering.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

But when we talk about a 'no deal' we are referring to the withdrawal agreement. Nobody has suggested we shouldn't have a trade agreement with the EU.

Well, trade deals take ages to sort out even when countries are on good terms so even best case scenario would see us with no trade deal with the EU for some time.
But Parliament won't allow no deal so fortunately theoretical.

---------- Post added at 11:46 ---------- Previous post was at 11:44 ----------

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Have you got a link to that

You misspelt drink.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Well, trade deals take ages to sort out even when countries are on good terms so even best case scenario would see us with no trade deal with the EU for some time.
But Parliament won't allow no deal so fortunately theoretical.

---------- Post added at 11:46 ---------- Previous post was at 11:44 ----------


You misspelt drink.

Mentioned earlier in this thread, but reminder for anyone who has less than six months to expiry on their current passport, or carried over some months from their previous passport (in my case, I renewed my passport in May 2009*, but the expiry date was September 2019 because of the previous passport's expiry date of September 2009); the expiry date on your current passport will be 10 years after the issue date.

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-mi...snt-sf-twitter

Millions of UK holidaymakers have been warned they need to renew their passports by tomorrow or face being barred from entering several European countries under a no-deal Brexit.

Up to 3.5 million people risk falling foul of rules for entering countries in the Schengen zone, such as France, Spain and Italy, according to consumer group Which?.

The rules state that visitors from non-EU countries must have at least six months left on their passport before its expiry date on the day of travel.

Until recently, UK citizens who renewed their passport before it expired could have up to nine months of the remaining validity added to their new travel document.

The government has warned that this time carried over will not count towards the six-month requirement if the UK leaves the European Union without a deal.

This would mean some people with up to 15 months left on their passport could be denied entry to many popular destinations on the continent, as they would lose any time carried over from their previous passport.

Which? noted that Friday will be three weeks before the UK is due to leave the EU on 29 March, which is the time it takes for passports to arrive after a standard renewal application.

*I needed to have more than six months left on my passport to travel to India in 2009

[Angua]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

But when we talk about a 'no deal' we are referring to the withdrawal agreement. Nobody has suggested we shouldn't have a trade agreement with the EU.

If we leave with "No Deal" there is no trade agreement. We revert to trading on WTO terms.

We can begin to broker a trade agreement with the EU at that point.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Mentioned earlier in this thread, but reminder for anyone who has less than six months to expiry on their current passport, or carried over some months from their previous passport (in my case, I renewed my passport in May 2009*, but the expiry date was September 2019 because of the previous passport's expiry date of September 2009); the expiry date on your current passport will be 10 years after the issue date.

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-mi...snt-sf-twitter

*I needed to have more than six months left on my passport to travel to India in 2009

Worth also mentioning this is only if we leave with No Deal on the 29/3, which seems very unlikely atm. (bit of an over complicated article, all they need say is that your passport must be valid for 6 month and not older than 10 years)

For anyone in any doubt there is a Govt. passport checker at:- https://www.gov.uk/guidance/passport...e-after-brexit

I'll be leaving on a Jet plane on 28/3, so I'll be Remaining in the EU whatever Question is, whether I'll come back.....

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Worth also mentioning this is only if we leave with No Deal on the 29/3, which seems very unlikely atm. (bit of an over complicated article, all they need say is that your passport must be valid for 6 month and not older than 10 years)

For anyone in any doubt there is a Govt. passport checker at:- https://www.gov.uk/guidance/passport...e-after-brexit

I'll be leaving on a Jet plane on 28/3, so I'll be Remaining in the EU whatever Question is, whether I'll come back.....

Not to worry, if we leave with no deal they'll chuck you out.

Originally Posted by Mr K

Worth also mentioning this is only if we leave with No Deal on the 29/3, which seems very unlikely atm. (bit of an over complicated article, all they need say is that your passport must be valid for 6 month and not older than 10 years)

For anyone in any doubt there is a Govt. passport checker at:- https://www.gov.uk/guidance/passport...e-after-brexit

I'll be leaving on a Jet plane on 28/3, so I'll be Remaining in the EU whatever Question is, whether I'll come back.....

Thanks for the clarification - I should have mentioned that point.

I’m acting on the side of caution, as I think it’s likely there will be a no-deal, as the ERG/DUP’s views on the backstop differ drastically from the EU’s, so I am avoiding the rush (if no-deal goes thru), so I applied online today and sent my passport by Special Delivery to the Passport Office - when we did my wife’s passport last year, it was back within a week.

Worst case scenario (after a no-deal Brexit) is I lose 5 months of passport duration - no biggie...

[Mr K]

Tbh I don't see how no deal would happen. The Govt don't want it (despite what they may say), the EU don't want it and a majority in Parliament won't allow it. I suspect another delay/fudge and resulting damage to our economy. Wouldn't surprise if the old girl tries to avoid next week's vote again.