24-02-2019, 12:07
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Re: Brexit
Just validates the old saying: "How can you tell a politician is lying?"
Their lips are moving.
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24-02-2019, 12:23
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#7787
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by denphone
Politicians sadly have been breaking manifesto promises ever since l was eligible to vote so there ain't much change there papa as remember many politicians talk with forked tongue.
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Always thought manifestos should be contactually binding, otherwise they are pointless. i.e. we can sue if they don't deliver !
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24-02-2019, 12:23
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#7788
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by denphone
Politicians sadly have been breaking manifesto promises ever since l was eligible to vote so there ain't much change there papa as remember many politicians talk with forked tongue.
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Quite true, which is why I very rarely take any notice of the drivel they spout . . or even vote for that matter.
It's all in the public eye this time though, the media are pouncing on every (not so) subtle attempt at sleight of hand trickery 
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24-02-2019, 12:40
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Mr K
Always thought manifestos should be contactually binding, otherwise they are pointless. i.e. we can sue if they don't deliver !
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I very much doubt that your desire is to see them implemented. You just want another tool to subvert democracy by suing the Party you disagree with.
How do you deal with coalition type arrangements where there are conflicting views?
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24-02-2019, 12:43
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by nomadking
I very much doubt that your desire is to see them implemented. You just want another tool to subvert democracy by suing the Party you disagree with.
How do you deal with coalition type arrangements where there are conflicting views?
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Err no, I just what them to deliver what they promise, and it applies to all parties. It's the politicians that 'subvert' democracy.
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24-02-2019, 13:14
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laeva recumbens anguis
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by pip08456
Then again, you'd expect a career Foreign Office Civil Servant with decades of experience to ensure the information given in a briefing to Foreign office minister to be correct.
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Originally Posted by Hugh
You can’t stop rogue Ministers ad-libbing...
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456
And you know he did this because...
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Much the same way you knew that the briefing wasn’t up to scratch...
His speech would not have been written by a Civil Servant, it would have been one of his SPADs or a speech writer - they often don't run things past the FO staff.
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Last edited by Hugh; 24-02-2019 at 13:24.
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24-02-2019, 13:15
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#7792
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Mr K
Err no, I just what them to deliver what they promise, and it applies to all parties. It's the politicians that 'subvert' democracy.
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That might have the effect that no one but the party faithful votes any more. Not really in the spirit of democracy.
Parties will have manifesto ideas that people both agree with and disagree with. It is the on balance that some people vote for. Others vote simply to stop the other party, nothing to do with the manifesto at all.
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24-02-2019, 13:23
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Mr K
Err no, I just what them to deliver what they promise, and it applies to all parties. It's the politicians that 'subvert' democracy.
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So as (in your own words) a "Lefty Liberal Remoaner", you are unhappy that these manifesto pledges weren't achieved?
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1) Emergency budget within 50 days of election to help pay down the bulk of the deficit.
Not met – The emergency budget took place but the deficit has only fallen by around a third. It has only halved as a proportion of national income.
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9) Human Rights Act to be replaced by British Bill of Rights.
Not met – This never happened after a commission failed to agree how it would be implemented. It is, however, likely to make a reappearance in the 2015 manifesto.
10) Annual limit on non-EU economic migrants.
Not met – Non-EU migration has fallen but there is no formal limit.
11) Overseas students at new or unregistered institutions to pay bond on arrival.
Not met – Home secretary Theresa May had a plan to make all immigrants pay bonds but this was blocked by the Lib Dems.
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24-02-2019, 14:14
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Hugh
Much the same way you knew that the briefing wasn’t up to scratch...
His speech would not have been written by a Civil Servant, it would have been one of his SPADs or a speech writer - they often don't run things past the FO staff.
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He’ll be avoiding the press like the plague now. And they’ll stick it to him in Parliament.
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24-02-2019, 14:16
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Mr K
Always thought manifestos should be contactually binding, otherwise they are pointless. i.e. we can sue if they don't deliver !
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They'll just say that things have changed since the manifesto was drawn up or that (in the case of a different party getting into power) matters were much worse than they believed whilst in opposition, necessitating a different solution e.g. promising not to increase taxes and then increasing them.
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24-02-2019, 14:26
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Re: Brexit
BREAKING: According to Sky News Sources - PM just landed in Sharm-el-Sheikh. Confirms on flight that she has decided she will not table a meaningful vote this week. New date set for March 12th.
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24-02-2019, 14:39
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Mick
BREAKING: According to Sky News Sources - PM just landed in Sharm-el-Sheikh. Confirms on flight that she has decided she will not table a meaningful vote this week. New date set for March 12th.
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I hope that Macron, Varadkar and Juncker get the trots (aka food poisoning).
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24-02-2019, 16:02
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Mick
BREAKING: According to Sky News Sources - PM just landed in Sharm-el-Sheikh. Confirms on flight that she has decided she will not table a meaningful vote this week. New date set for March 12th.
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Oh good lots of meaningless votes then. Democracy in action !
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24-02-2019, 16:32
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laeva recumbens anguis
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Mick
BREAKING: According to Sky News Sources - PM just landed in Sharm-el-Sheikh. Confirms on flight that she has decided she will not table a meaningful vote this week. New date set for March 12th.
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Didn’t she promise at the Dispatch Box on the 12th February that there would be a meaningful vote this week?
Reminiscent of the first "meaningful vote" being delayed from 11th December to the 15th January...
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24-02-2019, 17:31
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Hugh
Didn’t she promise at the Dispatch Box on the 12th February that there would be a meaningful vote this week?
Reminiscent of the first "meaningful vote" being delayed from 11th December to the 15th January...
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More kicking the can down the road, just so she can get her deal through parliament, by offering the fire of no deal vs the pan of her deal.
The EU are prepared for no deal, so not really a threat to them.
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