Trump invokes "Emergency Powers" to build border wall

BREAKING: U.S Senator, Bernie Sanders has announced his bid for the Democratic Nomination for U.S President in 2020 Elections.

Bernie Sanders is a bit Jeremy Corbyn like, Socialist to the core.

[pip08456]

Medicare, Medicaid and other systems are very important and Bernies NHSesque solution may well appeal to many voters.

Still wondering what this has to do with emergency powers and the wall though.

As you quite rightly advise to stay on topic I don't see why you threw this one in.

Originally Posted by nomadking

Quite sinister really. Trying to overturn democratic results by the backdoor.


Bit disingenuous using cost as an argument, because didn't the Democrat budget proposals cost even more? Especially when you add in the cost of the Democrat induced shutdown.

Congress controls spending - the Emergency Powers are a way to get round Congressional oversight, and Trump said himself he didn’t need to do it this way.

Yes he did when prior to his Presidency, Democrats voted on having a border wall. But you know, coz it’s Trump n’ that.....

Originally Posted by pip08456

Medicare, Medicaid and other systems are very important and Bernies NHSesque solution may well appeal to many voters.

Still wondering what this has to do with emergency powers and the wall though.

As you quite rightly advise to stay on topic I don't see why you threw this one in.

Trump is the President and the premise of this topic. U.S Elections will involve the re-election of him. The emergency powers ties him in to helping him get re-elected as it shows his base the determination to build the wall. I’m on topic sort of and not discussing what Hugh said was not permitted to be discussed.

[1andrew1]

Given that the talks in Vietnam have broken up and the allegations made against the President, efforts to build the wall will doubtless increase.

[Mr K]

Can't help thinking the idea of a wall is flawed. What if they go round, below or above it ? Lets face it, 30 miles of rough sea doesn't stop people getting into this country, if they really want.... The wall seems to be more of a trophy than deterrent for Trump now.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Can't help thinking the idea of a wall is flawed. What if they go round, below or above it ? Lets face it, 30 miles of rough sea doesn't stop people getting into this country, if they really want.... The wall seems to be more of a trophy than deterrent for Trump now.

Considering that most of the people entering the country do so via boat or plane or official road entry points, then a wall really won't do much. Total waste of money. Not to mention that border crossings and crime in border towns is actually a lot lower than anywhere else. Most crimes are commuted by Americans.

People entering the country are doing so to get away from baad situations, so they are less likely to commit crimes due to wanting a better life and not draw attention to themselves.

[RichardCoulter]

It looks to me like the wall is more symbolic than practical.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

It looks to me like the wall is more symbolic than practical.

Well Hadrian's wall didn't work with the Scots did it ? They are bleeding everywhere !

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Well Hadrian's wall didn't work with the Scots did it ? They are bleeding everywhere !

It did when the Builders manned it.

Originally Posted by pip08456

It did when the Builders manned it.

It stopped large scale attempted incursions, because the Romans could mass the troops (from the posts along the wall) when they were attempted - it didn’t stop small groups crossing.

This was an opinion piece written nearly six years ago, about the HS2

http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog...ake-so-is-hs2/

I live not far from the line of Hadrian’s Wall and I often take visitors to marvel at its almost 1,900-year-old stones. That the Romans could build 80 miles of dressed stone fortification, 15ft high and 9ft wide, over crags and bogs with a small fort every mile, is indeed a marvel. It was one of Rome’s most expensive projects.

Yet I often ask visitors as they marvel: did it work? The answer is no. The Roman garrison was too strung out to defend the whole thing at once. Within 30 years it had been successfully attacked by the barbarians; within 40 it had been abandoned for a new wall in Scotland; when that did not work and Hadrian’s Wall became the boundary again, it was overrun by barbarians several times. Did it exclude or pacify the tribes of northern Britain? I doubt it.

Ah, say the historians and Latin teachers, but you misunderstand the purpose of the wall. It was never meant as a Maginot Line. It was a sort of extended customs zone to control the border region. Or, goes another theory, “it was simply a psychological demonstration of Roman imperial power, intended to cow the natives into submission and provide a lasting monument to Hadrian himself”.

Sorry, but we are supposed to justify one of Rome’s most expensive building projects — costing, let’s say, 50 billion denarii — on the grounds that it might have impressed a few woad-stained, hairy organic farmers? Or to manage queues at immigration while selling them duty-free otters’ tongues?

There is no getting away from the fact that Hadrian’s Wall, marvel thought it was, was probably a bureaucratic blunder. Confronted with raids, a peevish emperor naively suggested building a big wall, nobody dared to tell him it was mad, a bunch of toga-clad Sir Humphreys gave the contracts to their relatives, and the local Nimbys were brushed aside.

A bit tongue in cheek, as it’s an article against the HS2, but it makes salient* points.

*see what I did there...

[1andrew1]

Just seen newsflash advising that Trump's latest bid for funding has failed. Maybe he should have taken some negotiating tips from Theresa May.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Just seen newsflash advising that Trump's latest bid for funding has failed. Maybe he should have taken some negotiating tips from Theresa May.

That won't stop anything, he will still carry on under "Emergency powers".

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by pip08456

That won't stop anything, he will still carry on under "Emergency powers".

They're being overturned.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/14/p...ion/index.html