Brexit (Old)

[Carth]

Originally Posted by denphone

l can think of someone better.

Mick was first choice, but thought I'd give everyone a fighting chance

[denphone]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

If she resigned who would replace her?

Someone who could unite them but then again that is a pretty well impossible job.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Great idea, hold a general election with 43 days is it left till we leave, outstanding idea, it'll give the new leader a matter of hours to renegotiate, anyway this is what you voted for Arthur, bit late having buyers remorse now

[Gavin78]

I saw post as part of an article about how Europeans see Brexit - Mr Omtzigt, the chief Brexit planner in the Dutch parliament, said: "You would expect a country that has run an empire to be able to do planning one, two or five years ahead because that is what you did when you had an empire.

"And now, before a crucial day, we are only two months less and still haven't taken a decision - let alone do implementation."

I agree with his statement, Brexit has shown how weak our country has become we have become reliant on other countries making day to day decisions for us and now people are scared to go it alone.

We need to stand upto the bullies in Europe because well the truth is they are more reliant on us than we are them cracks are showing they say we are playing a bad game but I think Europe is playing a bigger game perhaps TM knows this and is playing it.

All I know is empires fall and the EU will be the next one we just need to hold out a while longer I'm wondering if the EU will break down in the final hour?

[Carth]

Decision making has become a nightmare, not only for those in politics but those who need to manage situations at their work place.

I'm sure I won't be the only one on here who has made a decision, and accepted responsibility for it, just to be shot down in flames because it goes against some small minority view or stance that has the 'potential' to cause problems further down the line.

While decision makers run around in circles trying to appease everyone . . nothing is actually getting done

[nomadking]

The issues nowadays are much varied and complex. Plus we have a dearth of 5th columnists determined to sabotage anything and everything.

Originally Posted by nomadking

The issues nowadays are much varied and complex. Plus we have a dearth of 5th columnists determined to sabotage anything and everything.

People saying "but have you thought about the impact of that" are not "5th columnists", and saying they are is just trying to inflame things.

We live in a democracy where dissent should be welcomed, not suppressed by using emotive and derogatory language.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Hugh

People saying "but have you thought about the impact of that" are not "5th columnists", and saying they are is just trying to inflame things.

We live in a democracy where dissent should be welcomed, not suppressed by using emotive and derogatory language.

Disrupting and obstructing the democratic vote, ie Brexit, by every underhand trick, ARE the actions of a 5th column.

A fifth column is any group of people who undermine a larger group from within, usually in favour of an enemy group or nation. The activities of a fifth column can be overt or clandestine.

Would these things be tolerated in the event of a Labour government? If you want something to fail, you can not only actively do something, you can NOT do something that you should.



The EU has, and still is, constantly given the impression we are just going to roll over.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Hugh

People saying "but have you thought about the impact of that" are not "5th columnists", and saying they are is just trying to inflame things.

We live in a democracy where dissent should be welcomed, not suppressed by using emotive and derogatory language.

Nomadking said a dearth of fifth columnists which means a scarcity of fifth columnists so I'm totally confused by his argument!

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Carth

Decision making has become a nightmare, not only for those in politics but those who need to manage situations at their work place.

I'm sure I won't be the only one on here who has made a decision, and accepted responsibility for it, just to be shot down in flames because it goes against some small minority view or stance that has the 'potential' to cause problems further down the line.

While decision makers run around in circles trying to appease everyone . . nothing is actually getting done

This should tell you that you need to take a more holistic view of matters when making managerial decisions.

Often, it's down to ignorance as opposed to malice when decisions are made that would disproportionately impact minority groups, so these people are actually helping management to reach the correct decision.

A good example of this was when we had a new office door installed. The mechanism for the code to gain entry was placed halfway down because they wanted to try & make the workplace more accessible to wheelchair users and dwarfs. It was done with good intentions, but because they hadn't actually discussed this with disabled people, it had to be changed as some disabilities prevent people from bending down.

It was resolved by issuing everbody with key fobs and placing two readers at eye and waist level. A quick consultation with disabled representatives would have saved management time, money & embarrassment.

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I saw on the BBC news last night that Germany had said that they would "feel the pain of the UK leaving the EU, but that they would always put Europe first".

I'm assuming that they were referring to trade deals.

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I saw on the BBC news last night that Germany had said that they would "feel the pain of the UK leaving the EU, but that they would always put Europe first".

I'm assuming that they were referring to trade deals.

There is a cultural aspect too. In my experience of a number of nights out with my German colleagues in Germany talking about Brexit, many Germans feel that we are their natural kin in Europe. We are roughly similar in population, economy size and culture. There are differences of course but Germans are certainly amongst our closest 'relatives' in the EU.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

There is a cultural aspect too. In my experience of a number of nights out with my German colleagues in Germany talking about Brexit, many Germans feel that we are their natural kin in Europe. We are roughly similar in population, economy size and culture. There are differences of course but Germans are certainly amongst our closest 'relatives' in the EU.

That could be what they meant then.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

to try & make the workplace more accessible to wheelchair users and dwarfs.

I shouldn’t but I laughed out loud at that.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

This should tell you that you need to take a more holistic view of matters when making managerial decisions.

Often, it's down to ignorance as opposed to malice when decisions are made that would disproportionately impact minority groups, so these people are actually helping management to reach the correct decision.

A good example of this was when we had a new office door installed. The mechanism for the code to gain entry was placed halfway down because they wanted to try & make the workplace more accessible to wheelchair users and dwarfs. It was done with good intentions, but because they hadn't actually discussed this with disabled people, it had to be changed as some disabilities prevent people from bending down.

It was resolved by issuing everbody with key fobs and placing two readers at eye and waist level. A quick consultation with disabled representatives would have saved management time, money & embarrassment.

---------- Post added at 13:19 ---------- Previous post was at 13:09 ----------

I saw on the BBC news last night that Germany had said that they would "feel the pain of the UK leaving the EU, but that they would always put Europe first".

I'm assuming that they were referring to trade deals.

I have doubts about this ‘story’.

I have worked in many, many places, and I have never seen a security reader set at eye level - most readers are set between 900mm and 1050mm from the floor (as stated in BS8300:2009), to cater for those with disabilities; I have worked with disability advisors to ensure buildings, IT Services, and IT systems are appropriately accessible, and never fitted two separate readers.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I saw on the BBC news last night that Germany had said that they would "feel the pain of the UK leaving the EU, but that they would always put Europe first".

I'm assuming that they were referring to trade deals.

They were referring to anything and everything that in their view protects and defends the European project.

Don’t forget that the project is the main means by which Germany has sought to make good its heinous crimes against humanity in the 20th century and to prove its worthy of inclusion in international affairs. The EU, as the project is currently called, is genuinely dear to their hearts and I don’t doubt that our leaving it causes them genuine pain.

None of that is to say that the EU will, in the long run, be the great unifying, peace-defining project the Germans imagine it to be. We must not forget that the EU as presently designed is the very reason that one of its biggest, richest and most globally influential members (and a major net contributor to the budget) has opted to leave.

It’s disappointing that the EU’s response to this is, as usual, “more Europe!” rather than honest reflection on how it came to this.