Brexit (Old)

Indeed.

As much as I might be sarcastic about it I can accept the Leave campaign did not need to provide a detailed plan upon winning the vote. However the people promoting that campaign and especially those who were senior politicians did make statements about the benefits of Leaving. They will be partly responsible if those outcomes fail to materialise. History might vindicate them in the time and we'll look back in 5, 10, 20 years from now as having made the right decision or we might not.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Hugh

At Brexiters who promoted leaving without a plan...

Thank you .. although this was pretty obvious if you read what he said.

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Originally Posted by Damien

As much as I might be sarcastic about it I can accept the Leave campaign did not need to provide a detailed plan upon winning the vote. However the people promoting that campaign and especially those who were senior politicians did make statements about the benefits of Leaving. They will be partly responsible if those outcomes fail to materialise. History might vindicate them in the time and we'll look back in 5, 10, 20 years from now as having made the right decision or we might not.

Why didn't they? This is the elephant (or unicorn) in the room here. You want to change the economic and structural integrity of the country and affect the lives and well being of UK *and* EU citizens then you better have a plan .. a damn good one.

.. but they didn't .. deliberately so.

Originally Posted by ianch99

Yet again we disagree If you believe that there were only "only two possible outcomes" then your delusion is complete. The fault for this mess is solely at the feet of those who orchestrated it. Simple. You may wish to wish this away but you will need to face it one day.

He has every right to make a judgment if the crass incompetence of the UK authorities affects the lives and prosperity of the citizens he represents. I am afraid bad decisions have consequences that need to be owned by the people who are responsible.

We are all in this reality that this shambles has led us to. You are proud of it, fine but don't patronise the rest of us who said this was going to happen.

As usual - you are wrong - we did not need or require a plan - there is only one plan - that is to leave the EU, no other plan is required - to say Brexiteers that have no plan, should be found a place in hell is not right at all and totally ludicrous but trust the likes of you to agree with your undemocratic chums in the corrupted and disgusting EU.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

At Brexiters who promoted leaving without a plan...

You're just confirming what Chris is saying FFS.

[nomadking]

It would've been impossible to have a plan without already agreeing it with the EU, and the EU would never agree a plan until after the referendum.

The problem with any other sort of question in the referendum was clearly demonstrated in recent House of Commons votes. People on completely opposite viewpoints would vote yes or no. One side would vote "no" because it went too far, and the opposing side would vote "no" because it didn't go far enough. The resultant "verdict" didn't actually demonstrate anything.


The EU has some idea of what we are looking for, because of the pre-referendum EU reform talks.

Originally Posted by ianch99

As there was no plan, there is nothing vicarious about it. These people deliberately constructed the biggest con trick in history: redefine the entire economic & structural fabric of the country with no plan, based on a campaign of lies, rule breaking and deceit.

A good description of the Remain Camp of lies there.

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Mick

As usual - you are wrong - we did not need or require a plan - there is only one plan - that is to leave the EU, no other plan is required - to say Brexiteers that have no plan, should be found a place in hell is not right at all and totally ludicrous but trust the likes of you to agree with your undemocratic chums in the corrupted and disgusting EU. [COLOR="Silver"]

If we don't need a plan, what are all the UK 'no deal' guidance papers for? Plenty of work seems to have gone in to these - https://www.gov.uk/government/collec...u-with-no-deal

Was this incompetence by the DExEU in wasting taxpayers money?

Originally Posted by jonbxx

If we don't need a plan, what are all the UK 'no deal' guidance papers for? Plenty of work seems to have gone in to these - https://www.gov.uk/government/collec...u-with-no-deal

Was this incompetence by the DExEU in wasting taxpayers money?

Irrelevant - You're talking about preparations for carrying out one single plan of leaving the corrupted EU.

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Mick

Irrelevant - You're talking about preparations for carrying out one single plan of leaving the corrupted EU.

So it's a plan then?

Originally Posted by jonbxx

So it's a plan then?

Well, um - when you vote for that something to happen, er yeah...

[Carth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

<snip> These people deliberately constructed the biggest con trick in history: redefine the entire economic & structural fabric of the country with no plan, based on a campaign of lies, rule breaking and deceit.

Go on, you let it all out mate, can't be doing you any good with all that vitriol inside . . give it a big blast and see how much better you feel in the morning

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Carth

Go on, you let it all out mate, can't be doing you any good with all that vitriol inside . . give it a big blast and see how much better you feel in the morning

What on earth are you talking about? Are you trying to make a point here?

[djfunkdup]

Originally Posted by ianch99

What on earth are you talking about? Are you trying to make a point here?

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Mick

As usual - you are wrong - we did not need or require a plan - there is only one plan - that is to leave the EU, no other plan is required - to say Brexiteers that have no plan, should be found a place in hell is not right at all and totally ludicrous but trust the likes of you to agree with your undemocratic chums in the corrupted and disgusting EU. [

Leaving is a proposition:

A statement or assertion that expresses a judgment or opinion.

.. not a plan. A plan is defined as :

A detailed proposal for doing or achieving something.

No plan then ..

Also "trust the likes of you " .. don't make it personal, chill out ..

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

The problem is though they could have shared the plan they had. It is a secret still for some reason.

It's a cleverer insult by Tusk than first apparent. To rebut it, you would have to both reveal your plan and then try and explain why you kept it covered up!