Brexit (Old)

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by jfman

There is nowhere in the European Union where the cost of living is so low that Universal Credit can be considered a “fortune”; you’re also ignoring the fact they have to live on it HERE.

There’s little to no evidence of any of what you suggest and even where such little instances do happen removing EU migration and EU trade is somewhat using a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

There’s no evidence the NHS will be better off when it has to take the time and effort to train staff rather than import them.

There was a TV programme where a Czech Roma couple had arrived in Rotherham with twenty-two of their children and grandchildren. Only one of them had a job. So they, along with an estimated 6,000 other Czech Roma just in Rotherham, had to be housed, funded with benefits etc. The fallacy is that enough of the 3m EU residents actually contribute. Especially if you factor in an upfront cost of building the houses to house them in the first place.

So is the stock in all the Eastern European shops produced in the UK? Or is it shipped in from Eastern Europe.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Carth

A question you should really be asking yourself, you're the one that wants to stay in the EU.


. . . anyway, the topics are getting silly again, more going around in circles

Brexit touches on us all whether one likes it or not and as such its a subject that has a a very expansive scope don't you agree?.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by denphone

Brexit touches on us all whether one likes it or not and as such its a subject that has a a very expansive scope don't you agree?.

Yes it does, I agree . . . but when a 'certain' named businessman gets mentioned regularly, yet other businesses that 'move abroad' are never mentioned, it gets rather monotonous and silly


edit:
Dyson launched a $360 million plant in Tuas, Singapore in 2013, which can produce 4 million digital motors a year

The EU began negotiations with Singapore in March 2010

remind me again, in which year was the Brexit referendum?

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by Carth

A question you should really be asking yourself, you're the one that wants to stay in the EU.


. . . anyway, the topics are getting silly again, more going around in circles

leaving the EU is gonna cost us jobs not staying so it question leavers need to answer

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Dave42

leaving the EU is gonna cost us jobs not staying so it question leavers need to answer

Many people believe being in the EU has cost us jobs, who's right, who's wrong?

And as posted above, Dyson moving production to Singapore (and other countries) was done years before Brexit was a true proposition, so was therefore simply a business costs move, nothing else

[1andrew1]

Dyson's getting a bit of a hard time. He warned us many years ago that if we didn't join the Euro then he would expand overseas instead. We can't say we weren't told, though I would prefer to lose Dyson than gain the Euro.

Vacuum cleaner king James Dyson, the high-profile inventor and businessman, is set to reignite the debate surrounding the euro after threatening to expand his operations in Malaysia, rather than at his British factory, if the UK does not join the single currency.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...erverbusiness4

[Carth]

Good post Andrew, the link is to an article from Sun 5 Nov 2000 showing that he thought the EURO would be beneficial to his (and other) businesses.

The man stood by his convictions and moved his business, fair play.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Dyson's getting a bit of a hard time. He warned us many years ago that if we didn't join the Euro then he would expand overseas instead. We can't say we weren't told, though I would prefer to lose Dyson than gain the Euro.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...erverbusiness4

100% agree

Reality is finally dawning in Dublin, it seems. In the event of No Deal, it’s not the British erecting a border they have to worry about, it’s that their EU obermeisters will instruct the Irish to do it.

The way is now obvious. The obstructionists in our Parliament need to lay off and allow the government to face the EU down. The Backstop was a serious strategic error on the EU’s part, borne out of their obsession with ideological purity, and if they come under sufficient pressure they will drop it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-46961982

[Carth]

While I'm still here, here's 2 links that some may find interesting

from 2016 https://www.cer.eu/insights/eu-army-...ill-not-happen

from 2019 https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2019/...B0Ojl6_kSZm9gY

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Carth

Good post Andrew, the link is to an article from Sun 5 Nov 2000 showing that he thought the EURO would be beneficial to his (and other) businesses.

The man stood by his convictions and moved his business, fair play.

To somewhere OUTSIDE the Eurozone. So how does that work?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by nomadking

There was a TV programme where a Czech Roma couple had arrived in Rotherham with twenty-two of their children and grandchildren. Only one of them had a job. So they, along with an estimated 6,000 other Czech Roma just in Rotherham, had to be housed, funded with benefits etc. The fallacy is that enough of the 3m EU residents actually contribute. Especially if you factor in an upfront cost of building the houses to house them in the first place.

So is the stock in all the Eastern European shops produced in the UK? Or is it shipped in from Eastern Europe.

If I check the Daily Mail there's plenty of examples of benefit scroungers from all backgrounds, so a single example isn't necessarily representative of society as a whole.

32.53 million people in work in this country contribute to millions of benefit claimants on Jobseekers, ESA, Universal Credit and PIP. That's the way the system works.

I don't shop in Eastern European shops - I can't comment on the content. It's quite irrelevant though. Some items will attract VAT, the shopkeeper will pay income tax, employ other people (again, paying tax and national insurance) -all of which are positives. Do you buy entirely British produce? Drive a British manufactured car? Or like everyone else do you buy whatever is cheapest?

[Carth]

Originally Posted by nomadking

To somewhere OUTSIDE the Eurozone. So how does that work?

Because production costs were cheaper than staying here, obviously

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by Carth

While I'm still here, here's 2 links that some may find interesting

from 2016 https://www.cer.eu/insights/eu-army-...ill-not-happen

from 2019 https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2019/...B0Ojl6_kSZm9gY

there was no way it happen with UK in the EU as would been vetoed now it got more chance since we leaving but other members could use veto but we will see

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by jfman

If I check the Daily Mail there's plenty of examples of benefit scroungers from all backgrounds, so a single example isn't necessarily representative of society as a whole.

32.53 million people in work in this country contribute to millions of benefit claimants on Jobseekers, ESA, Universal Credit and PIP. That's the way the system works.

I don't shop in Eastern European shops - I can't comment on the content. It's quite irrelevant though. Some items will attract VAT, the shopkeeper will pay income tax, employ other people (again, paying tax and national insurance) -all of which are positives. Do you buy entirely British produce? Drive a British manufactured car? Or like everyone else do you buy whatever is cheapest?

6,000 from one group living in one town is not an isolated example. There are other groups, from other countries, in other towns and cities. There has been plenty of other examples in the media.




Where has the money that is spent in the shops come from? Public borrowing. Where do the profits end up, ie which country?


From 2011.

Two years ago Adrian Oprea was living with his family in a ramshackle hut in a Romanian village with only a handful of farm animals to his name.
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But Mr Oprea’s friends told him of a loophole. By selling the Big Issue magazine on the streets, he could register as “self-employed” and gain access to benefits and rights to work for his family.

Now the 24-year-old immigrant lives in a brand new house in Manchester, with eight of his relatives, with the help of the British taxpayer.**** Mr Oprea, who agreed to speak and pose for photographs because he is proud of the home he has provided for his family, said: “It’s very hard living in Romania.


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In April last year Mr Oprea was joined in Britain by his sister, Catalina, 26, and her six-year-old son, Valentin. Then in January this year Mr Oprea’s sister, Renata, 30, brother-in-law, Ionut Codrianu, 31, and their two daughters, Alexandra, 11 and Ana-Maria, 5, moved in with them.
Since September the extended family have lived in a modern, privately-rented, three-bedroom house in a new development in the Gorton area of Manchester, which has a large Romanian community.
The house came kitted out with a new kitchen and carpets. The family have a new television and DVD player, and they own a Peugeot 406 which sits on the drive.

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Of the five adults in the family, all have applied for benefits apart from Catalina, who does not work.