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RichardCoulter · 13-01-2019, 14:44

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Whatever happened to we’re all in this together.

Brexit appealed to the lowest common denominator in society so it can’t be considered a surprise that when it doesn’t deliver to expectations they will kick out.

It’d be preferable for any riots or looting to be larger, sending the country further into crisis. It’d focus the minds of our politicians and we’d maybe see some honesty for a change.

We weren't all in it together when austerity started and we won't be in it together with any fallout from Brexit.

jfman · 13-01-2019, 19:22

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Article 50 will need extended even if Theresa May wins the vote.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8723281.html

Technical extension until July likely.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-at-least-july

**Mick** · 13-01-2019, 20:07

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Technical extension until July likely.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-at-least-july

The EU cannot delay anything, it is not up to them - the UK has passed a law, we leave on 29th March 2019 and as previously said, Statute can only be changed with another Statute.

From Dominic Grieve himself:

"Govt should immediately remove Brexit date from domestic law if it loses on Tuesday - without doing that there is no point in going to the EU and asking for an extension."

jfman · 13-01-2019, 20:16

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Originally Posted by Mick

The EU cannot delay anything, it is not up to them - the UK has passed a law, we leave on 29th March 2019 and as previously said, Statute can only be changed with another Statute.

From Dominic Grieve himself:

"Govt should immediately remove Brexit date from domestic law if it loses on Tuesday - without doing that there is no point in going to the EU and asking for an extension."

The mechanics are irrelevant. We aren’t in a position to leave on 29th March, so it’s a matter of when we ask, not if. There’s no way Parliament wouldn’t vote to extend (given they want to remain anyway).

It’s good to know the EU have their finger on the pulse though.

**Mick** · 13-01-2019, 20:29

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The mechanics are irrelevant. We aren’t in a position to leave on 29th March, so it’s a matter of when we ask, not if. There’s no way Parliament wouldn’t vote to extend (given they want to remain anyway).

It’s good to know the EU have their finger on the pulse though.

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

The Mechanics are not irrelevant!!!

I trust the word of the former Attorney General, who knows a thing or two about law than you will ever know.

We leave on 29th March 2019, nothing you say alters that!!!

jfman · 13-01-2019, 20:39

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Originally Posted by Mick

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

The Mechanics are not irrelevant!!!

I trust the word of the former Attorney General, who knows a thing or two about law than you will ever know.

We leave on 29th March 2019, nothing you say alters that!!!

I’m not being deliberately obtuse.

There’s no need to be disrespectful either because you don’t agree.

When May’s deal goes down there’s no chance that she will actually go through with no deal on 29th March. We need six Bills passed and a few hundred statutory instruments to facilitate Brexit and don’t have the time to do it.

At that point the Government and Parliament agree on one narrow point (to amend the existing or replace legislation). I’m not actually disagreeing with Dominic Grieve.

**Mick** · 13-01-2019, 20:47

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I’m not being deliberately obtuse.

There’s no need to be disrespectful either because you don’t agree.

When May’s deal goes down there’s no chance that she will actually go through with no deal on 29th March. We need six Bills passed and a few hundred statutory instruments to facilitate Brexit and don’t have the time to do it.

At that point the Government and Parliament agree on one narrow point (to amend the existing or replace legislation). I’m not actually disagreeing with Dominic Grieve.

Yes you are!

I am not being disrespectful, it's just you keep saying the same factually inaccurate things.

Saying the mechanics are irrelevant when they are actually not.

I repeat - The date is set - we leave on 29th March, 2019, unless a new Statute is passed and it's the government of the day, who actually puts forward this change.

Pierre · 13-01-2019, 20:48

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The mechanics are irrelevant. We aren’t in a position to leave on 29th March.

Yes we are.

jfman · 13-01-2019, 20:53

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Yes you are!

I am not being disrespectful, it's just you keep saying the same factually inaccurate things.

Saying the mechanics are irrelevant when they are actually not.

I repeat - The date is set - we leave on 29th March, 2019, unless a new Statute is passed and it's the government of the day, who actually puts forward this change.

The mechanics don’t matter when Government and Parliament agree.

The Government has to ask the EU for an extension, if it does, and the EU agree as suggested in the linked article then Parliament won’t stand in the way.

Angua · 13-01-2019, 20:54

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Yes we are.

We shall see? Particularly now the government has to come up with an alternative within 3 days, as May's current deal on the table seems likely to be rejected.

Delay in having a vote has given us less time to sort things out.

jfman · 13-01-2019, 21:00

Between now and leaving Parliament needs to pass:

Trade Bill
Agriculture Bill
Fisheries Bill
Healthcare Bill
Immigration Bill
Financial services Bill
Withdrawal Agreement

**Mick** · 13-01-2019, 22:02

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The mechanics don’t matter when Government and Parliament agree.

The Government has to ask the EU for an extension, if it does, and the EU agree as suggested in the linked article then Parliament won’t stand in the way.

The Government has no plans and has repeatedly ruled out extending A50. So as I said... The mechanics do matter. The sooner you accept that, the better.

jfman · 13-01-2019, 22:18

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The Government has no plans and has repeatedly ruled out extending A50. So as I said... The mechanics do matter. The sooner you accept that, the better.

If you are right, which I don’t believe you are, my acceptance or otherwise is an irrelevance.

We will see what happens after Tuesday. The can is getting kicked. They all deep down want to, they just want to blame someone else for it.

You are pinning your hopes on people you can’t trust to deliver what you want. The sooner you accept that, the better.

**Mick** · 13-01-2019, 22:47

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If you are right, which I don’t believe you are, my acceptance or otherwise is an irrelevance.

We will see what happens after Tuesday. The can is getting kicked. They all deep down want to, they just want to blame someone else for it.

You are pinning your hopes on people you can’t trust to deliver what you want. The sooner you accept that, the better.

Can we keep this thread to facts please. Not your own personal presumptions.

You have clearly no clue what you’re talking about and try not to profess to know what I am hoping on, for a start, I don’t do “hope”.

jfman · 13-01-2019, 23:17

We’ll see.

The facts are Parliament is majority Remainers and Theresa May is good at saying one thing and doing another when it’s advantageous (the 2017 election she ruled out so often being just one example).

I get that you really don’t want it to happen but that really has no bearing on the likelihood once she loses the vote on Tuesday.