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papa smurf · 12-01-2019, 19:37

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Originally Posted by jfman

Faith is for belief in deities, the supernatural, mythology or similar. I suppose appropriate to a fiction like a glorious Brexit.

I'm sure your faith in the EU will see you through your crisis.

**Damien** · 12-01-2019, 20:06

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Originally Posted by Mick

But despite all the lies from “Both” Leave and Remain camps. Had Remain won, you would had no problem recognising the result and we would miraculously not be having this discussion.

I think we would be having this discussion

Early on in the campaign before it became clear how well Leave were doing it was hardly a secret than some Eurosceptics were looking to keep the 'loss' over 40% to order to maintain momentum for a future referendum. Remainers were discussing how big the win would need to be in order to 'kill the issue for a generation' and the question of a 2nd Scottish referendum was being discussed too. I think even some members on here were talking about what would be required in order to have another vote.

The vote always had the prospect of a second referendum in the background it was just people thought it was be if Remain won a narrow victory. If it was Remain 52% I am almost certain we would be discussing it.

Doesn't mean it's right. I would be arguing against it. I don't feel as strongly against a second referendum now obviously

although I still don't really support it.

**Hugh** · 12-01-2019, 20:11

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Originally Posted by Pierre

It’s called faith in the country. You should try it sometime.

Faith doesn’t solve problems, planning does.

**Hugh** · 12-01-2019, 20:30

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

Yellow Vests face Yellow Vests: Fights erupt between anti-Brexit and pro-Brexit supporters

Eyewitness Ed Crawford, a photojournalist, has told The Express: "Both sides met at Trafalgar Square and there were several fights that broke out between UK antifa.

"Multiple people arrested and both sides screaming Nazi at each other.

"Owen Jones was questioned by A pro Brexit campaigner Danny Tommo and things got heated with him being escorted away.

"He claimed the pro Brexit protester was being rude and other pro Brexit protesters were spitting at him.

"A huge entourage of left wing activists escorted him away and loads of people were chasing after him.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/10...xit-pro-brexit

The Pro-Brexit "yellow vests" were handing out these fliers in London today showing a list of the things they, the U.K. Yellow Vests, stand for - I think they meant "against" rather "for" most of the items.

Pierre · 12-01-2019, 20:38

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Originally Posted by jfman

Faith is for belief in deities, the supernatural, mythology or similar. I suppose appropriate to a fiction like a glorious Brexit.

Well I have faith in myself, my family, my co-workers, our citizens and our nation.

I don’t believe anyone has pre-fixed Brexit with “Glorious”, except you, just then.

It will not be glorious, it will be messy and painful. But that does not mean that ultimately it cannot be successful.

I’ve always been a glass half full kind of person.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

The Pro-Brexit "yellow vests" were handing out these fliers in London today showing a list of the things they, the U.K. Yellow Vests, stand for - I think they meant "against" rather "for" most of the items.

Why call them Pro-Brexit demonstrators? Brexit was only one thing on there, why not call them anti-greedy bankers demonstrators?

mrmistoffelees · 12-01-2019, 20:42

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Originally Posted by Pierre

No deal will obviously cause issues in the short and possible medium term. But many think a price worth paying

It’s very easy to say if you’re either a) not one of the ones who will be affected or B) one of the ones who don’t understand how you will be affected

Nb not aimed specifically at you, rather a generalisation

ianch99 · 12-01-2019, 20:44

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Originally Posted by Chris

Referendums (not referenda, the Latin word is a verb, not a noun

)

Yes, Referenda

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/referenda

Seems either are fine ..

Carth · 12-01-2019, 20:51

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

It’s very easy to say if you’re either a) not one of the ones who will be affected or B) one of the ones who don’t understand how you will be affected

I'm not sure if I'm an 'A' or a 'B'

Could you please post some examples of 'A' for me to browse through, just in case I am a 'B'

Mr K · 12-01-2019, 20:55

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Yes, Referenda

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/referenda

Seems either are fine ..

What about 'referendi'? (Sorry, I'll get my coat.....)

mrmistoffelees · 12-01-2019, 20:57

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Originally Posted by Carth

I'm not sure if I'm an 'A' or a 'B'

Could you please post some examples of 'A' for me to browse through, just in case I am a 'B'

A)
Financially secure
Working in an indemand industry or industry that’s furthest away from the ripples
Etc

B)
financially insecure
Manufacturing industry employee or within supply chain
Lacking in political nouse

The affluent are ultimately not going to be ones who suffer the hardest of shocks

**Damien** · 12-01-2019, 21:03

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Why call them Pro-Brexit demonstrators? Brexit was only one thing on there, why not call them anti-greedy bankers demonstrators?

Because their protests so far have largely been about Brexit and their incoherent list of things they stand for doesn't really add much.

papa smurf · 12-01-2019, 21:13

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Yes, Referenda

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/referenda

Seems either are fine ..

Whip up a poll we can referenderate the situation

jfman · 12-01-2019, 21:18

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Well I have faith in myself, my family, my co-workers, our citizens and our nation.

I don’t believe anyone has pre-fixed Brexit with “Glorious”, except you, just then.

It will not be glorious, it will be messy and painful. But that does not mean that ultimately it cannot be successful.

I’ve always been a glass half full kind of person.

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Why call them Pro-Brexit demonstrators? Brexit was only one thing on there, why not call them anti-greedy bankers demonstrators?

Surely, if Brexit is to be successful in the longer term and not short/medium term then taking the time to get it right is more important than doing it as quickly as possible?

If the plan is to leave on WTO terms surely making sure we are as ready as we can be is more important than adhering to a date decided two years ago when all the discussion was around “how good the deal will be”.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

Whip up a poll we can referenderate the situation

Can we use the single transferable vote to ensure a decisive outcome

RichardCoulter · 12-01-2019, 21:30

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Nothing as it is all scaremongering bollocks, and any one that does is very impressionable.

Well, I don't trust this Government and their muddled approach to Brexit and can't afford to take any chances as, without my medication, I would probably die.

I usually stockpile canned foodstuff in case there are any problems with supply or delivery, but I must admit i've got more than usual.

If Brexit doesn't go ahead, a deal is reached or there doesn't turn out to be any problems I won't have lost anything as it will all still get used eventually.

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

A)
Financially secure
Working in an indemand industry or industry that’s furthest away from the ripples
Etc

B)
financially insecure
Manufacturing industry employee or within supply chain
Lacking in political nouse

The affluent are ultimately not going to be ones who suffer the hardest of shocks

As is usually the case. If things start to go wrong I genuinely fear there could be riots. Whilst I do have sympathy with people who are poor or are in insecure jobs, I wouldn't want any problems at any domestic or commercial premises of mine or anyone else's.

jfman · 12-01-2019, 21:40

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Well, I don't trust this Government and their muddled approach to Brexit and can't afford to take any chances as, without my medication, I would probably die.

I usually stockpile canned foodstuff in case there are any problems with supply or delivery, but I must admit i've got more than usual.

If Brexit doesn't go ahead, a deal is reached or there doesn't turn out to be any problems I won't have lost anything as it will all still get used eventually.

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As is usually the case. If things start to go wrong I genuinely fear there could be riots. Whilst I do have sympathy with people who are poor or are in insecure jobs, I wouldn't want any problems at any domestic or commercial premises of mine or anyone else's.

Whatever happened to we’re all in this together.

Brexit appealed to the lowest common denominator in society so it can’t be considered a surprise that when it doesn’t deliver to expectations they will kick out.

It’d be preferable for any riots or looting to be larger, sending the country further into crisis. It’d focus the minds of our politicians and we’d maybe see some honesty for a change.