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**Chris** · 28-12-2018, 21:29

Again, the canard that the referendum ballot paper said nothing about the customs union or the single market.

Of course it didn’t. It said nothing about any of the details of the exit arrangements. It said nothing about the future relationship. But guess what? All of this was pointed out during the campaign. Frequently, it was pointed out by both sides. The remain campaign went hard on the “no single market” angle because they thought it would scare people into voting remain. They were wrong.

On voting day, the electorate was very well aware of the risks and opportunities. It was aware of the things that could not be determined until negotiations were well advanced.

And the result was still “leave”.

1andrew1 · 28-12-2018, 22:41

What a difference 18 months makes to EU 27 nationals!

3rd July 2016 "EU nationals here should see no change in their status (except no longer voting at local or European elections).
Daniel Hannan https://twitter.com/danieljhannan/st...27018325311488

27th December 2018 "EU citizens and their families will need to apply to the EU Settlement Scheme to continue living in the UK after 31 December 2020."
UK Home Office https://twitter.com/ukhomeoffice/sta...06349148708865

nomadking · 28-12-2018, 23:15

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

What a difference 18 months makes to EU 27 nationals!

3rd July 2016 "EU nationals here should see no change in their status (except no longer voting at local or European elections).
Daniel Hannan https://twitter.com/danieljhannan/st...27018325311488

27th December 2018 "EU citizens and their families will need to apply to the EU Settlement Scheme to continue living in the UK after 31 December 2020."
UK Home Office https://twitter.com/ukhomeoffice/sta...06349148708865

How else can they prove their entitlement to stay, compared to others who are not in the UK at the moment? Same goes for anybody. We all have to be able to our entitlement, one way or another.

TheDaddy · 28-12-2018, 23:29

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Originally Posted by Hom3r

NO NO NO NO, to option 3.

We voted to leave, why cannot people get that.

Please don't say "we didn't know waht we were voting for" - if thats the case you should never be allowed to vote again.

Lets not even mention the £350m.

But YOU in particular didn't know what you were voting for and you proved it on here, I can fetch the post if you need reminding again?

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Originally Posted by Chris

Again, the canard that the referendum ballot paper said nothing about the customs union or the single market.

Of course it didn’t. It said nothing about any of the details of the exit arrangements. It said nothing about the future relationship. But guess what? All of this was pointed out during the campaign. Frequently, it was pointed out by both sides. The remain campaign went hard on the “no single market” angle because they thought it would scare people into voting remain. They were wrong.

On voting day, the electorate was very well aware of the risks and opportunities. It was aware of the things that could not be determined until negotiations were well advanced.

And the result was still “leave”.

You know bozo has said repeatedly over the last 5 years that he'd vote to stay in the single market, I think he even said we could stay in it during the leave campaign but I could be corrected on that.

I don't believe we were sufficiently aware of the risks and opportunities, they were shams of campaigns, lazy, error strewn and darn right deceitful at times. Just because you believe you were sufficiently aware doesn't mean we all were, I don't believe I had enough information to make a proper decision and I said so at the time, felt a bit let down by the whole thing tbh

Also a close friend has been told he's being made redundant in the new year, brexit costs are the reason and no doubt many more in the supply chain are hearing the same, he voted leave as he thought it'd help him get a doctor's appointment earlier, wonder if he was aware of the risk of being out of job as he was the opportunity of seeing a quack?

1andrew1 · 28-12-2018, 23:42

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Originally Posted by nomadking

How else can they prove their entitlement to stay, compared to others who are not in the UK at the moment? Same goes for anybody. We all have to be able to our entitlement, one way or another.

What's wrong with their passports?

Sephiroth · 29-12-2018, 08:24

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

What a difference 18 months makes to EU 27 nationals!

3rd July 2016 "EU nationals here should see no change in their status (except no longer voting at local or European elections).
Daniel Hannan https://twitter.com/danieljhannan/st...27018325311488

27th December 2018 "EU citizens and their families will need to apply to the EU Settlement Scheme to continue living in the UK after 31 December 2020."
UK Home Office https://twitter.com/ukhomeoffice/sta...06349148708865

This is a totally contrived whinge. After Brexit the registered EU citizens will continue their status as having the right to live & work in the UK.

Jeez.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

What's wrong with their passports?

Another ill thought out remark. Their passports are part of the registration process. Obvs.

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Maybe we (Leavers) partially misjudged TM.

She appears to be using her power as PM to ensure that the "meaningful vote" takes place sufficiently close to 29-March so as to thwart any parliamentary process that Remainers might try to force.

In any case, it has bought time for her to try and renegotiate the Backstop element. The EU might well blink as £20b of the £39b goes out of the window if not the whole lot.

**Damien** · 29-12-2018, 10:37

Good luck trying to deport EU citizens anyway there are too many of them and many doing very important jobs.

papa smurf · 29-12-2018, 11:17

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Originally Posted by Damien

Good luck trying to deport EU citizens anyway there are too many of them and many doing very important jobs.

That kind of thinking won't save them everyone is replaceable.

Angua · 29-12-2018, 11:22

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

That kind of thinking won't save them everyone is replaceable.

Whether you find anyone to replace them is a different matter.

papa smurf · 29-12-2018, 11:34

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Originally Posted by Angua

Whether you find anyone to replace them is a different matter.

No it isn't ,there are many applicants for every job that is advertised.

Angua · 29-12-2018, 11:50

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

No it isn't ,there are many applicants for every job that is advertised.

Not all jobs get filled as the NHS well knows.

1andrew1 · 29-12-2018, 12:10

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

No it isn't ,there are many applicants for every job that is advertised.

Currently that may (or may not be) true.
But we're not talking about currently.

daveeb · 29-12-2018, 12:46

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Originally Posted by Angua

Not all jobs get filled as the NHS well knows.

Exactly, there's a chronic shortage of doctors, nurses and radiographers so clearly there aren't multiple suitably qualified candidates for each post.

papa smurf · 29-12-2018, 12:58

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Originally Posted by daveeb

Exactly, there's a chronic shortage of doctors, nurses and radiographers so clearly there aren't multiple suitably qualified candidates for each post.

There's a whole planet out there to recruit from.
And those from the EU can still apply if their paper work is in order.

RichardCoulter · 29-12-2018, 13:02

The Government should trawl through them all and get rid of any that aren't bringing anything to the table. Those that are have nothing to fear.