Brexit (Old)

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

You know full well that your assertion is valueless. Pip was saying that he's waited 43 years to vote Leave again, and that others are like minded.

Stop playing around just to attack a Leaver's sincere remarks.

It’s worse the other way: 8.7 million were going to vote one way without engaging any meaningful debate. Kinda proves why these things should be left out of the hands of a narrow minded public.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mythica

It's not ridiculous at all though is it. Even if you take into account what vote remain were saying, it's not undemocratic to want a second referendum based on what we know now. It could be said the first referendum shouldn't have took place until we know what we know now.

Did you vote to leave?

[Mythica]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Did you vote to leave?

What I voted doesn't change my point. It's not undemocratic to want a second referendum based on what we know now.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mythica

What I voted doesn't change my point. It's not undemocratic to want a second referendum based on what we know now.

why hide it then?

[Mythica]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

why hide it then?

Who said I'm hiding anything. Leave or remain, my point still stands. I've not even personally said we should have a second referendum. My point is it's not undemocratic to want a a second referendum.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mythica

Who said I'm hiding anything. Leave or remain, my point still stands. I've not even personally said we should have a second referendum. My point is it's not undemocratic to want a a second referendum.

If your not hiding it spit it out.

[Mythica]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

If your not hiding it spit it out.

Why when it has nothing to do with the point I'm raising? I voted remain. Still has no point in a second referendum wouldn't be undemocratic. I've not even said I personally want a second referendum.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mythica

Why when it has nothing to do with the point I'm raising? I voted remain. Still has no point in a second referendum wouldn't be undemocratic. I've not even said I personally want a second referendum.

I have some good news for you nothing has changed in regard to the remain option , there's no new information to be had about your choice of option in the referendum,so no need to rerun it for those who voted remain.

[Mythica]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

I have some good news for you nothing has changed in regard to the remain option , there's no new information to be had about your choice of option in the referendum,so no need to rerun it for those who voted remain.

I'm not sure what you don't understand about me saying my choice of remain or leave has nothing to do with my point. Furthermore, I haven't stated I personally want a second referendum. This is one reason why I didn't want to tell you how I voted, you simply want to twist this into something it isn't. Furthermore, how do you now know that I'd still vote remain anyway?

My point is and always was, it's not undemocratic to want a second referendum based on what we know now.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mythica

I'm not sure what you don't understand about me saying my choice of remain or leave has nothing to do with my point. Furthermore, I haven't stated I personally want a second referendum. This is one reason why I didn't want to tell you how I voted, you simply want to twist this into something it isn't. Furthermore, how do you now know that I'd still vote remain anyway?

My point is and always was, it's not undemocratic to want a second referendum based on what we know now.

I think we should re run the world cup the Ashes and most of man united's matches based on what we know now but that's not how it works.

[Mythica]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

I think we should re run the world cup the Ashes and most of man united's matches based on what we know now but that's not how it works.

No, that's not how sport works. The future of the country isn't based on sports results. And if you have to come up with a comparison like that, it says a lot about your argument.

Originally Posted by papa smurf

I think we should re run the world cup the Ashes and most of man united's matches based on what we know now but that's not how it works.

That's how it works in the Olympics...

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...al-doping.html

When an Olympic medalist is caught doping, any medals he or she has won are usually ordered returned, to be awarded to the next finisher in line.

And in football

https://www.theguardian.com/football...ropeanfootball

Juventus were last night dealt the most crushing blow in the club's illustrious history when a sporting tribunal set up by the Italian federation to decide on claims of match-fixing ordered the club be relegated to Serie B and forced to start next season with a 30-point deduction. It is unlikely they will play in the Champions League before at least 2009.

Milan, who were expected to emerge relatively unscathed from the biggest scandal to hit Italian football in modern times, were instead left facing at least two years out of European competition. Silvio Berlusconi's side avoided enforced relegation but were stripped of 44 points from last season, dropping them out of the European qualification spots, and given a 15-point handicap for next.

Lazio and Fiorentina were sent down to Serie B, where they will enter the championship with minus-seven and minus-12 points respectively. Luciano Moggi, the Juventus general manager at the centre of the affair, was banned from football for five years and the former president of the Italian federation, Franco Carraro, was excluded for 4½ years for failing to stop this rot at the very heart of the game.

And in the Tour De France

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/19369375

Lance Armstrong has been stripped of his seven Tour de France titles and given a lifetime ban by the United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA).

Cheats usually always get caught.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Mythica

It's not ridiculous at all though is it. Even if you take into account what vote remain were saying, it's not undemocratic to want a second referendum based on what we know now. It could be said the first referendum shouldn't have took place until we know what we know now.

The Remainers would say that anyway. They are insinuating that the Leavers didn't know what they were voting for. Who are the Remainers to decide that?

What would you be saying if the Leavers were demanding another referendum because nothing further would have happened on a "what we know now" basis? Clearly that would be likely but the theoretical question is worth asking.

Many Remainers will stop at nothing to defy democracy just because they disagree with the Referendum result. That's bad.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Hugh

That's how it works in the Olympics...

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...al-doping.html

And in football

https://www.theguardian.com/football...ropeanfootball



And in the Tour De France

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/19369375

Cheats usually always get caught.

"When an Olympic medalist is caught doping, any medals he or she has won are usually ordered returned, to be awarded to the next finisher in line.
And in football"


How much dope did the remain camp take prior to the vote?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

It’s worse the other way: 8.7 million were going to vote one way without engaging any meaningful debate. Kinda proves why these things should be left out of the hands of a narrow minded public.

Fiction. Say something useful, please.