Brexit (Old)

[Sephiroth]

Good question.

I’d prefer (a) because at least we’d be out & can chuck the deal if they Macron’d the trade negotiations.

Meanwhile, in other “I know you don’t believe me but there really isn’t going to be another referendum, please stop making yourself look silly” news:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46586673

Holding another referendum on the EU would "break faith with the British people", Theresa May will warn MPs.

Former PMs John Major and Tony Blair are among those urging a new referendum if MPs cannot agree on a way forward.

But the prime minister will argue that it would do "irreparable damage to the integrity of our politics" and would "likely leave us no further forward".

This is the contents of a speech to be delivered later today. Though I doubt it’ll make much difference to those who have totally bought into the idea that she’s going to call a referendum and everything that points to the contrary is just some kind of strategy.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Chris

Meanwhile, in other “I know you don’t believe me but there really isn’t going to be another referendum, please stop making yourself look silly” news:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46586673

This is the contents of a speech to be delivered later today. Though I doubt it’ll make much difference to those who have totally bought into the idea that she’s going to call a referendum and everything that points to the contrary is just some kind of strategy.

You have to accept the woman has form on U-turns."U-turn if you want to, but Theresa May will turn first."
Personally, I don't think a referendum is desirable or practical then again, that's what I said about Brexit.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

You have to accept the woman has form on U-turns.
Personally, I don't think a referendum is desirable or practice then again, that's what I said about Brexit.

I think your evidence evaluation and weighing skills are operating at a sub-optimal level.

So if the British people vote to overturn the previous vote of the British people, the British people are breaking the faith of the British people?

She is going to say either way. At least until her deal is voted down.

But the suggestion is that the government is intentionally stoking up the idea of a referendum to scare the Brexit contingent into backing May's deal or losing Brexit entirely. Although it also encourages Remains to think it's within their grasp.

I don't think she has a plan B and if her deal is voted down then who knows what happened.

[jfman]

I agree that it may appear like a leap of faith that May is saying one thing, but really intending to do another. That said, I don’t think her cabinet are going rogue of their own accord.

Originally Posted by Hugh

So if the British people vote to overturn the previous vote of the British people, the British people are breaking the faith of the British people?

Er no - the obvious thing you're choosing to ignore, deliberately, I might add, is that you do not keep having the same vote over and over again because you did not like the result of the first. We had a referendum, the UK voted to leave the EU, that is exactly what should happen.

A second referendum, AKA the losers vote, would be for the democracy abusers trying to thwart the first result.

[jfman]

The loser’s vote, which I will term the “well-informed vote” will be a more up to date reflection of democracy than the old one.

Originally Posted by jfman

The loser’s vote, which I will term the “well-informed vote” will be a more up to date reflection of democracy than the old one.

We don't need an uptodate reflection. We need to get on with enacting the first result and leaving FFS!

[djfunkdup]

Originally Posted by Hugh

So if the British people vote to overturn the previous vote of the British people, the British people are breaking the faith of the British people?

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[jfman]

I don’t see why we need to get on with it. In the present form it doesn’t represent what was promised before, Parliament can’t agree, and such an important decision requires taking the time and effort to ensure we make the right decision.

Rushing the A50 vote through has got us into this mess.

Originally Posted by jfman

I don’t see why we need to get on with it. In the present form it doesn’t represent what was promised before, Parliament can’t agree, and such an important decision requires taking the time and effort to ensure we make the right decision.

I suspect millions of People did not vote to leave based on promises made, I certainly did not - I took absolutely no notice of ANY campaigns because my mind was made up for leaving years before any campaigns began.

Parliament is full of Pro EU loons who are putting their own personal beliefs before the peoples, who gave them an instruction to leave the EU and yes I say instruction because that is what they did, they passed the sovereign choice to us to decide and we decided to leave the EU, (I will not be told otherwise by anybody!!!).

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

We don't need an uptodate reflection. We need to get on with enacting the first result and leaving FFS!

Well suddenly every is talking about another referendum, even its opponents, which show its now very much on the agenda. TM now paranoidly bleating about it, probably means its on the cards - she also claimed there wouldn't be an election last time !

'Slowly, slowly catchy monkey'...........

[jfman]

So there’s no way of quantifying how many of the 17.4 million were swayed by any of the campaigns. It’s also a betrayal of everyone in this country regardless of how they voted, or even if they voted, to crash out for ideological reasons and not leave in a controlled manner.

I’d prefer to take five years and get it right than three further months and get it massively wrong. That said, for those it was about immigration it’s only a date they see as a line in the sand.