13-12-2018, 13:34
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Re: Brexit
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Let's see how your future predictions work out Den, there will be plenty of opportunities in this thread.
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13-12-2018, 13:36
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Re: Brexit
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Let's see how your future predictions work out Den, there will be plenty of opportunities in this thread. |
How long Mr Corbyn lasts if there is a snap election.
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13-12-2018, 13:37
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Re: Brexit
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Ha, ha coming from you, you have to love the irony.
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I'm not sure I get where you're coming from (Are you mistaking me with Nigel Farage per chance?) but at least we both agree an EEA deal is not currently on the table.
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13-12-2018, 13:56
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
I'm not sure I get where you're coming from (Are you mistaking me with Nigel Farage per chance?) but at least we both agree an EEA deal is not currently on the table.
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 it's the way you tell em .
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13-12-2018, 14:10
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by ianch99
then it is right and proper that they seek a mandate from the people.
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Laughable.
They sought a mandate from the people last time, and don't seem to want to implement it.
What if they put it to the people again, and the people say leave again? what then?
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I'm not sure I get where you're coming from (Are you mistaking me with Nigel Farage per chance?) but at least we both agree an EEA deal is not currently on the table.
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Sorry I thought you were a remainer and supported another referendum? in which case your criticism seemed a little ironic
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He'll want another vote until he gets the result he wants as he feels that's his privilege.
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If I have mis-judged your position I apologise.
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13-12-2018, 14:16
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Pierre
[/COLOR]Sorry I thought you were a remainer and supported another referendum? in which case your criticism seemed a little ironic
If I have mis-judged your position I apologise.
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Thanks - you did misjudge it.
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13-12-2018, 14:16
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
That opinion doesn't alter the fact that EEA is not an automatic option and would need to be negotiated.
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When did I mention EEA?
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13-12-2018, 14:31
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The Dark Satanic Mills
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
Thanks - you did misjudge it.
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So you don't want another referendum?
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13-12-2018, 14:34
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Re: Brexit
Good article here on Brexit: https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/12/...of-our-nation/ (open in private/incognito mode if you've hit the read limit)
I disagree with some of it but think this bit is very true:
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In hindsight, it clearly would have been better for a party to have won a parliamentary majority for leaving the EU, then held a referendum on this question. This would have meant that, in the event of a Leave vote, Parliament and the people were aligned. If this had happened, Brexit would have happened far more smoothly and far more quickly.
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Governments shouldn't hold referendums into decisions where they disagree with the 'change' option.
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13-12-2018, 14:45
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Damien
Good article here on Brexit: https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/12/...of-our-nation/ (open in private/incognito mode if you've hit the read limit)
I disagree with some of it but think this bit is very true:
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Indeed. It all goes back to Cameron trying to settle an internal issue in the Conservative Party. One that instead of tearing the party apart is now threatening the very existence of the United Kingdom.
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13-12-2018, 15:51
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by jfman
Indeed. It all goes back to Cameron trying to settle an internal issue in the Conservative Party. One that instead of tearing the party apart is now threatening the very existence of the United Kingdom.
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I agree with both of you.
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13-12-2018, 15:55
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by jfman
Indeed. It all goes back to Cameron trying to settle an internal issue in the Conservative Party. One that instead of tearing the party apart is now threatening the very existence of the United Kingdom.
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36% of Tory MPs do not support May and her efforts towards Leaving. I suspect this is a fair representation of the split in the Tory Party, just seems they do not want to see the fundamental split within the party as irrevocable. So just keep tinkering round the edges, rather than make a clean break and be done with it.
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13-12-2018, 16:12
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Angua
36% of Tory MPs do not support May and her efforts towards Leaving. I suspect this is a fair representation of the split in the Tory Party, just seems they do not want to see the fundamental split within the party as irrevocable. So just keep tinkering round the edges, rather than make a clean break and be done with it.
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It's not possible all 36% are against the leave plan. Some may have their own career aspirations (and their own associated cliques), some may feel that she isn't the best person to take the party forward for the next 12 months.
Another question is whether the 36% represent the people who vote Conservative, and the Conservative membership as a whole.
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13-12-2018, 16:35
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Angua
36% of Tory MPs do not support May and her efforts towards Leaving. I suspect this is a fair representation of the split in the Tory Party, just seems they do not want to see the fundamental split within the party as irrevocable. So just keep tinkering round the edges, rather than make a clean break and be done with it.
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Taking you literally, I'm a party member and from my soundings at a recent dinner, it's rather the other way round 30% in my constituency (at the dinner) or so support her for a variety of reasons as in 'just get it done'; 'preferred if we had remained'; 'Nobody else can be a credible PM right now'.
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13-12-2018, 16:43
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
Taking you literally, I'm a party member and from my soundings at a recent dinner, it's rather the other way round 30% in my constituency (at the dinner) or so support her for a variety of reasons as in 'just get it done'; 'preferred if we had remained'; 'Nobody else can be a credible PM right now'.
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Me too, in my constituency, and strangely enough, it's the other way round here - must be that North/South divide...
We are about 50/50 on Leave/Remain, but even some of the Leave camp thought she needed to be allowed to get on with it, and that Rees-Mogg et al were just nasty little stirrers out for themselves, rather than the country.
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