Brexit (Old)

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Carth

. . or alternatively, how the great British public were sold out for 30 pieces of silver

Either way, it’ll be a compelling watch.

Originally Posted by jfman

You should write to all 650 odd MPs with that insight. This could all be sorted by tea time on Wednesday, as they’ve clearly misunderstood this situation massively.

I shouldn't have to do any such thing - the referendum in 2016 was two choices - one was to Remain - the other leave - leave won - therefore we leave the EU and that meant in it's entirety.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Mick

I shouldn't have to do any such thing - the referendum in 2016 was two choices - one was to Remain - the other leave - leave won - therefore we leave the EU and that meant in it's entirety.

exactly Mick, and if everyone who voted - whether remain or stay - understood the simple question it makes you wonder how those 650 educated MP's didn't

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mick

I shouldn't have to do any such thing - the referendum in 2016 was two choices - one was to Remain - the other leave - leave won - therefore we leave the EU and that meant in it's entirety.

However it didn’t say

a) when or
b) what the future relationship should look like

Given the vast range of economic consequences it’s reasonable to say the position is untenable until one clear leave model is backed in it’s own referendum.

If the leave vote is one single monolithic entity with a homogeneous view of what leave means you should have nothing to worry about putting it to the electorate for a rubber stamp.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by Mick

I shouldn't have to do any such thing - the referendum in 2016 was two choices - one was to Remain - the other leave - leave won - therefore we leave the EU and that meant in it's entirety.

that why some leave politicians where saying about staying in single market right and why parliament wont allow a no deal Brexit they know we fall of a cliff edge

Originally Posted by Dave42

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that why some leave politicians where saying about staying in single market right and why parliament wont allow a no deal Brexit they know we fall of a cliff edge

You keep repeating the same rubbish about a cliff edge - it's utter project fear fiction!!!

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Originally Posted by jfman

However it didn’t say

a) when or
b) what the future relationship should look like

Given the vast range of economic consequences it’s reasonable to say the position is untenable until one clear leave model is backed in it’s own referendum.

If the leave vote is one single monolithic entity with a homogeneous view of what leave means you should have nothing to worry about putting it to the electorate for a rubber stamp.

It's already been to the electorate - Jeez - why do you have to be so obtuse ?

It should not have to bloody say, it's not hard.

Leave means leave - when you opt to leave your house, you don't keep one foot in there or, one arm or any part of you.

Leaving a group means leaving it completely - it really is not hard !!!

[Gavin78]

I agree Mick

I wan't to leave, I voted leave and I didn't vote half in half out or vote on the losing side to have their say.

The only thing that has happened here is we got a vote to leave but remain get to decide how.

Pathetic!!!

[jfman]

Well if leave had a coherent plan (Johnson, Gove, Davis, Fox, Farage) that was obvious - or even better on the ballot paper - it wouldn’t be up to the adults to take responsibility.

Far from pathetic it’s masterful how our constitution is protecting us from ourselves. The vast majority of the electorate, indeed the population, don’t deserve to be punished for the ill thought out positions of the few.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

Well if leave had a coherent plan (Johnson, Gove, Davis, Fox, Farage) that was obvious - or even better on the ballot paper - it wouldn’t be up to the adults to take responsibility.

Far from pathetic it’s masterful how our constitution is protecting us from ourselves. The vast majority of the electorate, indeed the population, don’t deserve to be punished for the ill thought out positions of the few.

Which minority section do deserve to be punished?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

It's time for Brexit to be handed over to the adults, who can attempt to euthanise it for everyone's good.

Who are they, exactly?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Which minority section do deserve to be punished?

Those who campaigned for the myth can’t reasonably be described as being “punished” if they have to live with the consequences of their own ineptitude.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Who are they, exactly?

Our sovereign Parliament.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

Those who campaigned for the myth can’t reasonably be described as being “punished” if they have to live with the consequences of their own ineptitude.

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Our sovereign Parliament.

Dodging the answer again; just convoluted nonsense. If the vast majority don't deserve to be punished, who does deserve to be punished?
Those who campaigned for Brexit but didn't anticipate what obstacles the EU would put in our way?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

If there was a single coherent view of what Brexit should look like we wouldn’t be in this mess.

The Brexit was hat people voted for in 2016 was a hard Brexit, total removal from the single Market and customs union and all the EU institutions. However painful that might be.

Immediately after the result Remainer in Chief , Nick Clegg, coined the phrases Hard Brexit and Soft Brexit - they didn’t exist beforehand.

And since the result, the Remain contingent have used these phrases to obfuscate the process Ultimately leading to where we are now.

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Originally Posted by jfman

Our sovereign Parliament.

By you’re own admission, they are “ Remain” how can we trust them to deliver Brexit, they are complicit in the current failure we see before us.

Originally Posted by Carth

. . or alternatively, how the great British public were sold out for 30 pieces of silver

Thats a bit harsh on Arron Banks- he got a lot more than that...

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Dodging the answer again; just convoluted nonsense. If the vast majority don't deserve to be punished, who does deserve to be punished?
Those who campaigned for Brexit but didn't anticipate what obstacles the EU would put in our way?

It’s not convoluted nonsense.

The English language is more complex than the binary choice you are seeking to frame my statement in.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

The Brexit was hat people voted for in 2016 was a hard Brexit, total removal from the single Market and customs union and all the EU institutions. However painful that might be.

Immediately after the result Remainer in Chief , Nick Clegg, coined the phrases Hard Brexit and Soft Brexit - they didn’t exist beforehand.

And since the result, the Remain contingent have used these phrases to obfuscate the process Ultimately leading to where we are now.[COLOR="Silver"]

My memory is hazy but I’m quite sure it didn’t say that on my ballot paper.

By you’re own admission, they are “ Remain” how can we trust them to deliver Brexit, they are complicit in the current failure we see before us.

They are there to make the tough choices the people can’t be trusted with on a day to day basis.