Brexit (Old)

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Hugh

I think the point being made was that it was inappropriate to have a view that is based on a small sample (whether it be disability or migrants), as anecdote is not the singular form of data...

Precisely. Benefit fraud accounts for a fraction of one per cent the amounts paid.

I think it NOW time to get back on to Brexit - we have far wandered off track, discussing Benefit fraud has nothing to do with Brexit.

[heero_yuy]

Quote from Hom3r:


I think vince cable is broken and stuck in a loop as the old fool keeps wining on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on about another vote.

Looking a bit rough these days:

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[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Mr K

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...deal-great-eu/

Oh dear, Donald isn't helping is he ! Probably had a nudge from his buddy Farage.

Pah, we'll just trade using WTO rules. Their tune will soon change when Ford and Chrysler come knocking at the door. They need us more than we need them, etc.

[Mr K]

Seems the Govt are defying parliament and refusing to publish the full legal advice on Brexit. Wonder what they are trying to hide?
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&so...43408046240085

Ministers have suggested they will not publish the full legal advice given to Cabinet on Theresa May’s Brexit deal despite MPs voting for it to be released in a move which has sparked a major backlash.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Seems the Govt are defying parliament and refusing to publish the full legal advice on Brexit. Wonder what they are trying to hide?
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&so...43408046240085

If it's based on legal fact then there is no need to publish it, as everything should already be known and certain. If it's "needed", then it must be yet another meaningless biased report based upon speculation.

[Sephiroth]

Certain people in this thread have said that the EU is only doing what it should - namely look after its own interests. This is to sneer at the decision to leave the EU (they should not do that) and to sneer at the guvmin's mishandling of all this (quite right).

No sooner is the ink dry on that awful Withdrawal Agreement then Macron is already demanding a chunk of our fishing rights if we are to stand any chance of a trade agreement. That's a nasty piece of crowing. They are nasty, whether or not they are protecting their interests. If we treat with them, it's a battle we can't win.

Parliament ought to be wise enough to vote down the Withdrawal Agreement. But if not, we are set for another assault on our nation by the EU; so I doubt that will happen.

That leaves No Deal vs Remain. Remain won't be easy because those nasty people will exact a price for allowing Article 50 to be rescinded; we'll lose out rebate for a start. On the other hand, if they really do want us to stay, they could put sweeteners our way during the campaign.

If, in a referendum, we voted No Deal, which is my preference, we would be shot of them. They would be the bad boys in the world's eyes if they stopped Eurostar, etc and the world would laugh at the French who set so much importance by being able to fish our waters.

Certain people in this thread have said that the EU is only doing what it should - namely look after its own interests. This is to sneer at the decision to leave the EU (they should not do that) and to sneer at the guvmin's mishandling of all this (quite right).

If I ask my wife for a divorce, and she tries to get the best deal for her and the kids, I don’t think she would be sneering at me asking for a divorce, she would be trying do what’s right for her.

If people disagree with us, they’re not sneering, just disagreeing - taking it personally is why things escalate.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Hugh

If I ask my wife for a divorce, and she tries to get the best deal for her and the kids, I don’t think she would be sneering at me asking for a divorce, she would be trying do what’s right for her.

If people disagree with us, they’re not sneering, just disagreeing - taking it personally is why things escalate.

Indeed, if we had any power in this negotiation we would be using it and any suggestion we shouldn’t try to get the best deal for Britain would be getting laughed out of town.

All trade deals require compromise, so if France has a starting point over fish and we want “frictionless trade” we have to ask ourselves what is most important?

Some of the adjectives getting thrown around are massively disproportionate. It’s cold hard capitalist maths.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

If I ask my wife for a divorce, and she tries to get the best deal for her and the kids, I don’t think she would be sneering at me asking for a divorce, she would be trying do what’s right for her.

If people disagree with us, they’re not sneering, just disagreeing - taking it personally is why things escalate.

There is no valid comparison between Brexit and the analogy you have made. You wrote about your wife sneering at you; I wrote about the UK seeking a divorce from the EU and a cohort on this forum (as distinct from the EU sneering at us) sneering at those (52%) who voted for the divorce.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

There is no valid comparison between Brexit and the analogy you have made. You wrote about your wife sneering at you; I wrote about the UK seeking a divorce from the EU and a cohort on this forum (as distinct from the EU sneering at us) sneering at those (52%) who voted for the divorce.

It’s a statement of reality that capitalist entities look after their own financial interests. Even where charity, or aid, comes into it this is often for PR or other political reasons and almost never some grand selfless act.

To expect a trading bloc of 27 nations to do anything other than strike the best deal they can for their own interests is simply delusional.

I’m sorry you feel that is sneering.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

Indeed, if we had any power in this negotiation we would be using it and any suggestion we shouldn’t try to get the best deal for Britain would be getting laughed out of town.

All trade deals require compromise, so if France has a starting point over fish and we want “frictionless trade” we have to ask ourselves what is most important?

Some of the adjectives getting thrown around are massively disproportionate. It’s cold hard capitalist maths.

We know all that. But it comes down to how much bashing can we take from those bullies? There you go again.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

There is no valid comparison between Brexit and the analogy you have made. You wrote about your wife sneering at you; I wrote about the UK seeking a divorce from the EU and a cohort on this forum (as distinct from the EU sneering at us) sneering at those (52%) who voted for the divorce.

I thought the analogy was quite good !

The EU could equally call us nasty for demanding rebates, opt outs, special treatment, sending Farage to shout abuse in the EU parliament etc etc. Quite frankly we've been a pain in the backside.

Even if we change our minds now, they might not want us back, don't blame them.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

We know all that. But it comes down to how much bashing can we take from those bullies? There you go again.

I don’t see how it can be bullying as we invited them to do this.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

There is no valid comparison between Brexit and the analogy you have made. You wrote about your wife sneering at you; I wrote about the UK seeking a divorce from the EU and a cohort on this forum (as distinct from the EU sneering at us) sneering at those (52%) who voted for the divorce.

Chill mate. No one's sneering at the 52%, Sephiroth.