Brexit (Old)

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Damien

It can be done however fast the political will wants it. Even if it's a big bill although I suspect all you need to do is revoke the previous bill in it's entirety. Unless there are other complications you could probably fit the wording into a single page.

The obstacle to stopping Brexit isn't time or Parliamentary procedures but the political will.

But are you really saying that Theresa May would go for it? Of course she wouldn't - it wouldn't make sense for her to do so and she would definitely lose her credibility entirely if she did.

My view is that the deal will probably pass, but a no-deal is what we'd have if it did not.

The only joker I can see in this pack is if the rejection of the deal panics the EU and they come back to offer us something better!

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Originally Posted by jfman

Theresa May is on the Parliamentary record as acknowledging the possibility of no Brexit at all if they vote her deal down.

If I’m expected to trust a former Prime Minister on another continent then I’m sure our Prime Minister can be trusted to know this.

As I said before, this seems to have been a ruse to make her Brexiteer rivals think again. It may have worked.

[jfman]

You’d assume our Parliamentarians would see through such an obvious ruse if there wasn’t time to implement a reversal of the EU Withdrawal Act.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

But are you really saying that Theresa May would go for it? Of course she wouldn't - it wouldn't make sense for her to do so and she would definitely lose her credibility entirely if she did.

No I am just saying it's technically possible.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Damien

No I am just saying it's technically possible.

I agree. But it's not politically possible if Theresa May and her government want to continue to win elections. The electorate would never forgive her for that and she knows it.

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Originally Posted by jfman

You’d assume our Parliamentarians would see through such an obvious ruse if there wasn’t time to implement a reversal of the EU Withdrawal Act.

She was making the point. There is no way Theresa May would risk losing all credibility if she were to take that route. It will not happen, as you will see very soon now.

[Dave42]

interesting few days ahead to see how her meetings with the EU go

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Dave42

interesting few days ahead to see how her meetings with the EU go

And more time for Rees Mogg to get his imaginary 48 letters.

[jfman]

Theresa May has little electoral credibility anyway. She’s got nothing to lose. As a one nation Conservative who believes in doing the right thing for the country you are relying on her to implement a policy she doesn’t agree with.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I agree. But it's not politically possible if Theresa May and her government want to continue to win elections. The electorate would never forgive her for that and she knows it..

I certainly don't think it's possible without a referendum which I think is unlikely. More likely is to kick the can down the road.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

I certainly don't think it's possible without a referendum which I think is unlikely. More likely is to kick the can down the road.

So vassal state for XXX years then?

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by denphone

And more time for Rees Mogg to get his imaginary 48 letters.

Letters can be withdrawn as well. He might end up with only one letter ! MPs are fickle and go with the tide.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

So vassal state for XXX years then?

Can't believe anybody would think a vassal state is better than what we've got atm. It's a lose lose all round no matter which way you voted.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Letters can be withdrawn as well. He might end up with only one letter ! MPs are fickle and go with the tide.

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Can't believe anybody would think a vassal state is better than what we've got atm. It's a lose lose all round no matter which way you voted.

exactly no deal the PM could get would be better that what we got at moment with our Veto and all our opt outs we got

[Sephiroth]

I smell something cynical. Recalling that TM said that there may be no Brexit at all if her deal was rejected by Parliament, I think she knows that an amendment to the Bill that would be debated as part of the meaningful vote would be the calling of a second Referendum.

To my mind, the only questions on the Referendum should then be deal or no deal (not remain or leave which is the rat I smell). We had the remain/leave referendum in 2016.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Dave42

exactly no deal the PM could get would be better that what we got at moment with our Veto and all our opt outs we got

What vetoes and opt outs? So much is done by qualified majority voting.


We had an opt-out(Maastricht treaty) on the "Working Time Directive", but the EU foisted it upon us by the back door.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I smell something cynical. Recalling that TM said that there may be no Brexit at all if her deal was rejected by Parliament, I think she knows that an amendment to the Bill that would be debated as part of the meaningful vote would be the calling of a second Referendum.

To my mind, the only questions on the Referendum should then be deal or no deal (not remain or leave which is the rat I smell). We had the remain/leave referendum in 2016.

I’ve been saying this for days now.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

I’ve been saying this for days now.

I agree with quite a lot of what you say.