Brexit (Old)

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46228454

tbh they would say that. We're on the run and they have us by the short and preverbials.....

So to sum up, we've managed to negotiate virtually the status quo for an absurd amount of money, and made sure we have little say on how its spent in future. Isn't Brexit fantastic? We've really taken back control...

Originally Posted by Mr K

tbh they would say that. We're on the run and they have us by the short and preverbials.....

So to sum up, we've managed to negotiate virtually the status quo for an absurd amount of money, and made sure we have little say on how its spent in future. Isn't Brexit fantastic? We've really taken back control...

It's not a proper Brexit though is it?

It's weak negotiating skills from Remainer civil servants in Downing Street.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mr K

So what you're saying is, we shouldn't have voted to leave because we'll be in a worse position than now ??

Its taken time, but the penny has dropped for Brexiters.

No, he's saying that this is what TM's deal will result in and therefore we would be wise to go for no deal.

I am more sanguine than this, and although a no deal I am happy to live with, I do acknowledge that the deal on the table will be better for industry, which is important.

I worry about that backstop, but other than that, the withdrawal agreement is a step in the right direction towards full sovereignty.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

That's probably an inept phrase but I think a lot of Leavers were sold an impossible dream. Many tried to explain this to them but were understandably not believed at the time. So, I can understand many having buyer's remorse. This guy here has got it particularly badly. https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presente...es-for-brexit/

Impossible dream? Come on, Andrew, a no deal is what many Brexiteers want and of course that is possible. However, the withdrawal agreement is more pragmatic. Many, however, don't want to wait to get everything in two years.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

tbh they would say that. We're on the run and they have us by the short and preverbials.....

So to sum up, we've managed to negotiate virtually the status quo for an absurd amount of money, and made sure we have little say on how its spent in future. Isn't Brexit fantastic? We've really taken back control...

Nonsense, Mr K. How is it 'virtually the status quo'?

This is the withdrawal agreement, not the trade deal, and is designed to last 21 months. During that period, we get back control of immigration policy, agricultural and fisheries policies and everything in that list that TM read out yesterday. The rest comes later.

All this is taking a long time, which Brexiteers are annoyed about, but there is no practical alternative in honouring the referendum than this, except the hard Brexit, which will never be accepted by Parliament.

[Dave42]

Micheal Gove is staying lbc reporting

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mick

It's not a proper Brexit though is it?

It's weak negotiating skills from Remainer civil servants in Downing Street.

The next two years is just a transition period, of course.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Dave42

Micheal Gove is staying

Ah, the oily snake twist again. He'll have been calculating his best chance of grabbing power when May falls.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The next two years is just a transition period, of course.

Of course it is OB

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Dave42

Micheal Gove is staying lbc reporting

Laura Kuenssberg.

Gove is NOT resigning - source close to him says ‘Michael is staying at Defra. He thinks it is important to continue working with Cabinet colleagues to ensure the best outcome for the country’

[Mr K]

Bet he persuaded his colleagues.to resign

Maybe he appreciates he has a serious job to do?

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Damien

Maybe he appreciates he has a serious job to do?

Don't be silly he works for DEFRA.

I knew he wouldn't resign..

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Don't be silly he works for DEFRA.

You must be a townie...

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

No, he's saying that this is what TM's deal will result in and therefore we would be wise to go for no deal.

I am more sanguine than this, and although a no deal I am happy to live with, I do acknowledge that the deal on the table will be better for industry, which is important.

I worry about that backstop, but other than that, the withdrawal agreement is a step in the right direction towards full sovereignty. [SEPH]: That's almost an oxymoron, OB. I say "almost" because you're worried about the backstop, which ties us into that perfidious lot for as long as THEY want. Another thing or two that pretty much seals the perpetual loss of full sovereignty can be found in the Political Declaration:

1. UK commitment to the ECHR;

2. Level Playing field on state aid, competition, social & employment standards;

3. Scale and scope of future arrangements reflecting …. enforcement including the role of the Court of Justice of the European Union.



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[denphone]

This is from the Sunday Times’ Tim Shipman.

BREAKING: Gove, Fox, Grayling, Mordaunt and Leadsom have agreed collectively to stay and will work together “to get this in a better place” says a vg source. “Resigning and joining a rebellion is not going to help anything

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

[SEPH]: That's almost an oxymoron, OB. I say "almost" because you're worried about the backstop, which ties us into that perfidious lot for as long as THEY want. Another thing or two that pretty much seals the perpetual loss of full sovereignty can be found in the Political Declaration:

1. UK commitment to the ECHR;

2. Level Playing field on state aid, competition, social & employment standards;

3. Scale and scope of future arrangements reflecting …. enforcement including the role of the Court of Justice of the European Union.

What's wrong with the ECHR? Nothing to do with the EU (though you have to be a member to join the EU) and is specifically mentioned in the Good Friday Agreement. We have been a member since 1949 and are one of the founding members.