Brexit (Old)

[papa smurf]

Brexit CONSPIRACY: Soubry claims Jeremy Corbyn and Theresa May are working TOGETHER


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/10...dum-deal-today


And remember to be drink aware or it will take over your life and make you bonkers

[denphone]

You really need to stop reading about these so called conspiracy's Papa.

[Mr K]

This all seems very complicated ! Was supposed to be simple wasn't it ?! Seem to be going round in circles and disappearing up our own backsides.... Bet the EU wish we would !

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I would prefer much more straight forward UK legislation where it is needed. EU legislation is incredibly complex. So much so that even lawyers struggle with it and are not at all sure which way cases will go.

Yeah, that's the thing I did not have a gauge on - the WTD has had to go to the CJEU for clarification as discussed in the article Pierre posted but what I don't have is information on whether this is more or less than other laws, both EU ones and UK.

Clearly we do have this situation in the UK, hence case/common law following on from statute law. If laws were watertight, there would be no case/common law and this clearly isn't what happens.

There is a layer of complexity where EU law in translated in to local legislation and the cases in that paper seemed to be around deficiencies in that translation due to lack of clarity in the initial directive. I would be interested to see if there was any evidence that local laws are simpler by definition than EU ones.

There's an interesting article on the complexity of laws including the influence of EU law here - https://assets.publishing.service.go..._8April_AP.pdf

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by denphone

You really need to stop reading about these so called conspiracy's Papa.

You need to view the video .

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

You need to view the video .

Corbyn and May would make a dream team
A Govt. of national unity at a time of crisis- happened before , and at the way this has the potential to not work out.....

[denphone]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

You need to view the video .

It still does not change my original comment.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I think you will find that the Working Time Directive was quoted at the time of the referendum as an example of legislation that was unhelpful to employers.

It's far more relevant to the debate than Aaron Banks - that is just a side-show designed to undermine the result of the referendum. It won't work.

Brexiters were quoting the Working Time Directive yesterday (not 2016) when the fines of Leave.EU and Arron Banks were making headlines. Strange that.

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Originally Posted by Mick

You can’t count. I see none, as usual. But please do keep wittering on about sod all.

Please try harder, Mick. I know you can do it.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

As you may deduce from the above posts, the Working Time Directive, along with much other employment related legislation (such as the Acquired Rights Directive and the General Data Protection Regulation) is an employer's nightmare.

Facebook and Google want the US to have similar GDPR legislation.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Brexiters were quoting the Working Time Directive yesterday (not 2016) when the fines of Leave.EU and Arron Banks were making headlines. Strange that.

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Please try harder, Mick. I know you can do it.

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Facebook and Google want the US to have similar GDPR legislation.

That fine was harsh about 12 seconds wages to A B

Originally Posted by Mr K

This all seems very complicated ! Was supposed to be simple wasn't it ?! Seem to be going round in circles and disappearing up our own backsides.... Bet the EU wish we would !

Yawn, more claptrap. No the EU is too busy drumming up a E.U. Defense Army, that Nick Clegg said would never happen.

Roll on 29/3/19 when we can rid ourselves of this con job joke of a union.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Brexiters were quoting the Working Time Directive yesterday (not 2016) when the fines of Leave.EU and Arron Banks were making headlines. Strange that.

This from 2016 must be Scotch mist then! Interesting how history warps in the mind when you strain to believe things that aren't true.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7103031.html

I will say again - I am a leaver, and my reasons for wanting to leave included the suffocating, unrelentless spread of EU legislation which is hampering business; uncontrolled immigration which was impacting on our jobs, housing and public services; the fake democracy of the EU in which bureacrats, not politicians, set the agenda; the economic drag the EU was causing and the growing pressure to bail out southern EU countries tied to the Euro; the pressure to participate in taking in hordes of people crashing into the EU from African and Middle Eastern countries; membership of the Customs Union which prevented us from trading freely and under our own terms; the huge amount of money going into the EU for little benefit; the abandonment of Commonwealth countries which we saw when we joined the EEC - all these things and more.

So please stop all this nonsense about what you believe in terms of leavers' motives. Although everyone had varying reasons for wanting to leave, just about everyone would have had one or more of the same reasons as I did to support Brexit. These 'wanting to get back to our days of Empire' are complete nonsense - I would be surprised if any sane person would have thought that this is what they would get from Brexit.

It's like me saying that all those who wanted to remain were of that view simply because they wanted to take their holidays in Europe, which of course, they still can after Brexit.

I guess you will continue to use these diversionary tactics to muddy the waters and try to whip up pressure from people to demand another referendum, but you are wasting your time. Theresa May has made the position clear. Brexit means Brexit; we leave in March 2019; there will be no customs union which prevents trade deals from being forged by the UK and there will be no second referendum.

So why not start concentrating on how we benefit from leaving the EU, the practical problems to be overcome and how to overcome them and how we can exploit our new found freedoms.

That would be a much more positive and realistic debate than feebly trying to overturn a decision that has already been made and that will not change.

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Originally Posted by Mick

Yawn, more claptrap. No the EU is too busy drumming up a E.U. Defense Army, that Nick Clegg said would never happen.

Roll on 29/3/19 when we can rid ourselves of this con job joke of a union.

...And that's another reason!

Well we could have vetoed a EU army.

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Let another reason to stay in the EU IMO: https://twitter.com/DianeJamesMEP/st...39304787202048

THE overflowing wine cellar of the European Union now stands at 42,000 bottles with a further 1,000 bottles of Cognac, Armagnac and assorted other spirits.

Shhhh, don’t tell Drunken Juncker.

Originally Posted by Mick

Shhhh, don’t tell Drunken Juncker.

I think it's pretty obvious he found out about it.

[ianch99]

The debacle continues:

Raab: I hadn't quite understood importance of Dover-Calais crossing

Brexit secretary Dominic Raab has told a tech event that he "hadn’t quite understood" the importance of the Dover-Calais crossing for UK trade.

According to the website Politico, Raab was speaking last night when he confirmed the choice of goods available to buy in the shops would be hit unless "frictionless trade" was maintained at the French border.

He is reported to have said: “I hadn’t quite understood the full extent of this, but if you look at the UK and look at how we trade in goods, we are particularly reliant on the Dover-Calais crossing.

"And that is one of the reasons why we have wanted to make sure we have a specific and very proximate relationship with the EU, to ensure frictionless trade at the border.

"I don’t think it is a question so much of the risk of major shortages, but I think probably the average consumer might not be aware of the full extent to which the choice of goods that we have in the stores are dependent on one or two very specific trade routes.”