Brexit (Old)

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I'm not sure what's going on here. The post attributed to me is one of ian's.

Me neither.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Square that circle?

Who are you asking?

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Me neither.

Nor me

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

If there is no customs union and there is no border, we pay for goods coming in and collect payment for goods going to Ireland.

You forget to say how this is done?

[Angua]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Square that circle?

Whatever the majority agreed, but with a far more realistic idea of the outcome, rather than blaming the EU for things the UK has control over.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by ianch99

You forgot the Remain option

No, I didn't. There is no 'remain' option as we have already voted on this. Theresa May has made this clear on many occasions.

So any decision to give us another vote will simply be the EU deal achieved or hard Brexit.

Be careful what you wish for.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Who are you asking?

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Nor me

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You forget to say how this is done?

Bank transfer I’d imagine. How do companies pay for stuff?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Angua

Whatever the majority agreed, but with a far more realistic idea of the outcome, rather than blaming the EU for things the UK has control over.

Point I was making was that you insist the people’s vote was not to thwart the result of the referendum ........Ianch99 didn't get the memo.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Point I was making was that you insist the people’s vote was not to thwart the result of the referendum ........Ianch99 didn't get the memo.

No need for memo's. Save paper, just look at the People's Vote website ..

[Sephiroth]

The EU could so easily accommodate our customs controls by technology preference just by not saying no. It’s as much in their interests as ours and during transition we could jointly develop this - perhaps as a variation to the Estonian (or is it Latvian) technology solution on the Russian border. Random sampling would reveal abuses so that countermeasures can be applied.

But that awful hegemonist EU prefers to say no to anything of mutual benefit. remember:

1. The EC wants to be federal masters;
2. The European Parliament wants to trump national parliaments;
3. Germany wants to call all the shots;
4. The French running dogs of the Germans want to punish us;
5. The perfidious Irish aren’t interested in the GFA, only trade across the borders.

There is no ethical basis for wanting to be tied into that lot. The Remainers on this thread have never been able to properly refute my enumerated points. The 17 million who voted for Brexit included much of the above in their thinking - not just immigration.

Incidentally, I’ve never been against European immigration. I entirely blame all UK governments for not ensuring a housing supply and NHS capacity to match the tax paying influx.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

The EU could so easily accommodate our customs controls by technology preference just by not saying no. It’s as much in their interests as ours and during transition we could jointly develop this - perhaps as a variation to the Estonian (or is it Latvian) technology solution on the Russian border. Random sampling would reveal abuses so that countermeasures can be applied.

But that awful hegemonist EU prefers to say no to anything of mutual benefit. remember:

1. The EC wants to be federal masters;
2. The European Parliament wants to trump national parliaments;
3. Germany wants to call all the shots;
4. The French running dogs of the Germans want to punish us;
5. The perfidious Irish aren’t interested in the GFA, only trade across the borders.

There is no ethical basis for wanting to be tied into that lot. The Remainers on this thread have never been able to properly refute my enumerated points. The 17 million who voted for Brexit included much of the above in their thinking - not just immigration.

Incidentally, I’ve never been against European immigration. I entirely blame all UK governments for not ensuring a housing supply and NHS capacity to match the tax paying influx.

I don't think we should be working ourselves into a lather about the NI border. If the EU means what it says, it is going to have to accept the UK's proposals for a solution in the withdrawal arrangements, come up with an alternative or get a no deal, which means a hard border for NI.

Where there's a will, there's a way.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

The EU could so easily accommodate our customs controls by technology preference just by not saying no. It’s as much in their interests as ours and during transition we could jointly develop this - perhaps as a variation to the Estonian (or is it Latvian) technology solution on the Russian border. Random sampling would reveal abuses so that countermeasures can be applied.

But that awful hegemonist EU prefers to say no to anything of mutual benefit. remember:

1. The EC wants to be federal masters;
2. The European Parliament wants to trump national parliaments;
3. Germany wants to call all the shots;
4. The French running dogs of the Germans want to punish us;
5. The perfidious Irish aren’t interested in the GFA, only trade across the borders.

There is no ethical basis for wanting to be tied into that lot. The Remainers on this thread have never been able to properly refute my enumerated points. The 17 million who voted for Brexit included much of the above in their thinking - not just immigration.

Incidentally, I’ve never been against European immigration. I entirely blame all UK governments for not ensuring a housing supply and NHS capacity to match the tax paying influx.

Considering you seem to think Germany inherently want to run everything and the Irish can't be trusted I suspect this isn't the case.

[tweetiepooh]

If we are "independent" surely it's up to us what tariffs and limits to apply on what comes in. We could simply say we won't limit or put tariffs on goods or crossing from EU.

If the EU want to apply limits on what comes from us that's up to them, we could apply tariffs if "they" do.

We could allow travellers from EU to carry goods as we currently do, we could keep a blue channel for UK and EU passports.

Hey if Trump does what he likes to limit trade we can to expedite it.

Yes there likely does need to be controls on stuff going into the EU so the world can't shuffle junk via us but that's up to EU as it currently is - asymetric border in Ireland - anything in, controls out ?!

Basically we want to control our borders so lets do just that. It's part of what Brexit is about.

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

If we are "independent" surely it's up to us what tariffs and limits to apply on what comes in. We could simply say we won't limit or put tariffs on goods or crossing from EU..

Under WTO rules if you do this in the absence of a trade deal or multilateral deal then you have to give the same status to other nations/blocs so pretty much anyone could flood the UK with cheap/tacky crap.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Damien

. . . pretty much anyone could flood the UK with cheap/tacky crap.

We're a few years late in putting a halt to that

[Angua]

Originally Posted by Carth

We're a few years late in putting a halt to that

At least we currently do not have hormone riddled beef and old slimy chicken chlorine washed to remove this.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Damien

Under WTO rules if you do this in the absence of a trade deal or multilateral deal then you have to give the same status to other nations/blocs so pretty much anyone could flood the UK with cheap/tacky crap.

Or as i like to call it your xmas gift