Brexit (Old)

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

27,000 now

Busy morning you've had Smurf

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Busy morning you've had Smurf

Yes, and we thank you for your support

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

Wow, such a divisive post.

Not helpful Andrew in the slightest - so I suggest you pack it in. I will not stand for direct attacks on people or a group of people, especially if it is aimed in my direction, right under my own eyes.

It stops right now!!!

Apologies, could have expressed myself far better and inoffensively. My bad.

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Mick

Best Brexit plan ever:

https://twitter.com/HowlandRobin/sta...48022936166401

- Depose May
- Offer EU FTA, no money > EU reject
- Nothing to vote on in Parl't
- UK leave on WTO terms
- EU realise they need an FTA with UK to
compensate for hole in their budget
- Agree FTA

Ref honoured, UK extricated & free to implement trade deals with RoW.

Done.

A few questions on that one;

- Depose May - fair enough, who to replace her?
- Offer EU FTA, no money > EU reject - Will FTA answer Northern Ireland question? Will other agreements such as ones for aviation, medicines, etc. be included?
- Nothing to vote on in Parl't - fair enough
- UK leave on WTO terms - what will happen at Northern Ireland border?
- EU realise they need an FTA with UK to
compensate for hole in their budget - as asked above, how does an FTA help the EU budget?
- Agree FTA

Ref honoured, UK extricated & free to implement trade deals with RoW. - as a potential partner who breaks agreements and doesn't pay what they owe

[propoly]

What I don't understand about the Irish border issue is how does the EU deal with existing land border with non-EU countries, as there are currently 40 such borders

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by propoly

What I don't understand about the Irish border issue is how does the EU deal with existing land border with non-EU countries, as there are currently 40 such borders

Other countries have restricted borders to a greater or lesser extent depending on the relationship with the EU. Passport checks, customs clearances, standards checks and veterinary/phytosanitary checks may be required to cross the border.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

A few questions on that one;

- Depose May - fair enough, who to replace her?
- Offer EU FTA, no money > EU reject - Will FTA answer Northern Ireland question? Will other agreements such as ones for aviation, medicines, etc. be included?
- Nothing to vote on in Parl't - fair enough
- UK leave on WTO terms - what will happen at Northern Ireland border?
- EU realise they need an FTA with UK to
compensate for hole in their budget - as asked above, how does an FTA help the EU budget?
- Agree FTA

Ref honoured, UK extricated & free to implement trade deals with RoW. - as a potential partner who breaks agreements and doesn't pay what they owe

What? How did you get to that? For a start, the EU is not acting reasonably and if there is no deal, they should whistle for anything other than what they are due. The government have confirmed that the UK will pay what it owes.

[Dave42]

Theresa May 'not going anywhere' after backbench showdown

The latest as a Brexiteer says the PM's performance in front of Tory MPs at a crunch meeting "goes down very well".
18:37, UK,

https://news.sky.com/story/live-ther...wdown-11534453

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

What? How did you get to that? For a start, the EU is not acting reasonably and if there is no deal, they should whistle for anything other than what they are due. The government have confirmed that the UK will pay what it owes.

It says up there, offer FTA, no money in the original tweet.

Originally Posted by propoly

What I don't understand about the Irish border issue is how does the EU deal with existing land border with non-EU countries, as there are currently 40 such borders

The problem isn't actually building a border and the infrastructure so much. That would be difficult because of how integrated the country is but we know how to build borders e.t.c.

The problem is that nobody wants a border in Ireland because of the unique circumstances there. Part of the Good Friday Agreement was that people can be both Irish and British in Northern Ireland, have both passports even, and move freely between the two. This helps people who feel Irish in Northern Ireland to feel it's the same country and that's how it sorta works now. People and goods move back and forth as freely as people move between London and Essex.

More here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42180074

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

It says up there, offer FTA, no money in the original tweet.

That tweet was from a someone called Rob Howland. How does that feed into anything important leading to your remark about the UK not being a trustworthy partner?

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

That tweet was from a someone called Rob Howland. How does that feed into anything important leading to your remark about the UK not being a trustworthy partner?

Not quite sure I get you there. The tweet was copied as an example of an approach to Brexit discussions and our future relationship with the EU and further afield. Part of the points made was not offering money and only an FTA which the EU would reject.

Both sides agree that we owe the EU ‘something’ as we are leaving during a budget cycle and we have future ongoing commitments (Nigel Farages pension, etc.)

If we followed Rob Holland’s master plan, we would renege on that agreement, whether it is a legal, moral or goodwill. This could potentially create an image problem down the line with future agreements.

[Bircho]

Originally Posted by Mick

Leave won by 17.4 million people-

Just catching up on a few days posts. I know the Leave campaign did exaggerate a few things (£350m, Turkey joining etc) but I think that one surpasses everything, Mick!

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

Not quite sure I get you there. The tweet was copied as an example of an approach to Brexit discussions and our future relationship with the EU and further afield. Part of the points made was not offering money and only an FTA which the EU would reject.

Both sides agree that we owe the EU ‘something’ as we are leaving during a budget cycle and we have future ongoing commitments (Nigel Farages pension, etc.)

If we followed Rob Holland’s master plan, we would renege on that agreement, whether it is a legal, moral or goodwill. This could potentially create an image problem down the line with future agreements.

OK - I get it. You were challenging Mick for praying Rob Howland in aid.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Dave42

Theresa May 'not going anywhere' after backbench showdown

The latest as a Brexiteer says the PM's performance in front of Tory MPs at a crunch meeting "goes down very well".
18:37, UK,

https://news.sky.com/story/live-ther...wdown-11534453

Rather different from what was portrayed would happen in all the speculation.

We all need to calm down. There will be a deal before the end of the year with a transition period, and then we can move on to forging a new trade agreement with the EU and other countries.

I suspect then the remainers will be saying we will never get a trade deal and all the nonsense will start again. And again, they will be wrong.

Time to start being positive. 95% there with the withdrawal agreement, just one small leap....