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Mr K · 22-10-2018, 18:34

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Problem with the 95% is that nothing has been spelt out as to what is in that 95%.

The easy bits are in the 95%.

Seems TM and her 'plan' are safer than ever thanks to her psychotic back benchers wishing her a horrible death. That seems to have backfired somewhat. Got to hand it to the old girl, she's the best of a very bad bunch. Could see her get some support from Labour in upcoming votes - she won't need the loony right/DUP.

pip08456 · 22-10-2018, 18:50

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

Wow all this fuss over less than 1% of the population wanting a peoples vote .

A peoples vote on what though?

Mr K states it is on the deal but can't tell me what difference it will make. Perhaps Andrew, Ian or Dave can but they are all silent.

What format other than a binary vote (remainers love those) can it take?

Agree or disagree with the deal, what other possible options could there be?

Suggestions please.

When will this vote take place? Before it is presented to Parliament or after it is rejected by them (as it is looking will happen).

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Originally Posted by Mr K

The easy bits are in the 95%.

Seems TM and her 'plan' are safer than ever thanks to her psychotic back benchers wishing her a horrible death. That seems to have backfired somewhat. Got to hand it to the old girl, she's the best of a very bad bunch. Could see her get some support from Labour in upcoming votes - she won't need the loony right/DUP.

Also needs the EU to agree and of course that peoples vote that you won't answer for me.

Mr K · 22-10-2018, 19:01

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Problem with the 95% is that nothing has been spelt out as to what is in that 95%.

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Originally Posted by pip08456

A peoples vote on what though?

Mr K states it is on the deal but can't tell me what difference it will make. Perhaps Andrew, Ian or Dave can but they are all silent.

What format other than a binary vote (remainers love those) can it take?

Agree or disagree with the deal, what other possible options could there be?

Suggestions please.

When will this vote take place? Before it is presented to Parliament or after it is rejected by them (as it is looking will happen).

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Also needs the EU to agree and of course that peoples vote that you won't answer for me.

I answered in the post before you asked old chap ! . A vote on whatever deal they come up with (if they do come up with one). It might be that Brexiters aren't happy with it either, (eg. not nutty enough for them). If we reject it, they have to go back and renegotiate.

pip08456 · 22-10-2018, 19:33

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Originally Posted by Mr K

I answered in the post before you asked old chap ! . A vote on whatever deal they come up with (if they do come up with one). It might be that Brexiters aren't happy with it either, (eg. not nutty enough for them). If we reject it, they have to go back and renegotiate.

No they don't. We just exit the EU with no deal. Can you not see that?

Mr K · 22-10-2018, 19:37

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Originally Posted by pip08456

No they don't. We just exit the EU with no deal. Can you not see that?

Well that could possibly be an option in another vote. The people really would have only have themselves to blame then, which might be an attractive option for the politicians.

OLD BOY · 22-10-2018, 19:39

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Originally Posted by pip08456

No they don't. We just exit the EU with no deal. Can you not see that?

Quite right, pip. And without a deal, the NI border issue remains. Some are really not thinking this through!

ianch99 · 22-10-2018, 19:40

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Originally Posted by Pierre

This flaccid argument has been tried before.......

The Cabinet is made up of "democratically elected" MPs, appointed by the PM

Yup, and I for one definitely elected Arlene Foster and her lovely DUP chums to decide my future.

Democracy in action!

OLD BOY · 22-10-2018, 19:41

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Problem with the 95% is that nothing has been spelt out as to what is in that 95%.

It means that there's only 5% yet to go, most of which concerns the NI border issue.

Both Barnier and May agree on that figure.

ianch99 · 22-10-2018, 19:41

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

Wow all this fuss over less than 1% of the population wanting a peoples vote .

Getting nervous are we?

pip08456 · 22-10-2018, 19:43

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Getting nervous are we?

You must be joking. Preparing for the street party already!

OLD BOY · 22-10-2018, 19:46

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Originally Posted by Mr K

The easy bits are in the 95%.

Seems TM and her 'plan' are safer than ever thanks to her psychotic back benchers wishing her a horrible death. That seems to have backfired somewhat. Got to hand it to the old girl, she's the best of a very bad bunch. Could see her get some support from Labour in upcoming votes - she won't need the loony right/DUP.

I wouldn't exactly describe the first 95% the easy bit. Most remainers didn't think we'd get past the cost of leaving the EU!

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Getting nervous are we?

Why would anyone be getting nervous over a mouthy 1%?

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Yup, and I for one definitely elected Arlene Foster and her lovely DUP chums to decide my future.

Democracy in action!

That's the nature of a coalition, of course. I thought you wanted more of them...

papa smurf · 22-10-2018, 19:49

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Getting nervous are we?

Is it too early to apply for a visa to visit Paris in the spring?

ianch99 · 22-10-2018, 20:08

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Originally Posted by pip08456

A peoples vote on what though?

Mr K states it is on the deal but can't tell me what difference it will make. Perhaps Andrew, Ian or Dave can but they are all silent..

Sorry, I have just been enjoying the show. On what you ask? Well I could talk about:

A campaign run by criminals
A campaign lead by Liars and Charlatans
A proposal to restructure the economy based on no, yes zero, planning
A backdrop of years of right wing media lies about the EU and immigrants
dog whistle racism used to encourage anti-immigrant hysteria
the fact that immigration from outside the EU has always been higher, in some years much higher, than from the EU
the fact that our Government has had the ability for some time now to control EU migration but chose not to use it
the fact that the country was not told that the vote would leave them, and the country, poorer

Yes, the list is endless but all of this does not matter one whit. You see, this is a religious thing. It always has been. Facts and evidence mean nothing if you have Faith. They are, by definition, incompatible.

Here is a Leave voter that represents the end of the Leave spectrum but he really believes this stuff and there are a lot like him:

"Let's get back to being the British Empire" - this leave voter at the #SaveBrexitRally in Harrogate explains why he doesn't want a #PeoplesVote

Yes, I know, I will get the same old crap about "I know what I voted for", "the EU is corrupt" and "Jean-Claude Juncker ate my goldfish" but I don't care.

This whole process is a Tory debacle: a rats in a sack civil war that is taking the country down with it. I for one am not happy to watch this play out and do nothing. I did my bit and I am proud of it. I stood up for what I think is right.

Last thought, for the literal amongst you: if you have a march of 500,000 that means there are many, many more in the country who support you: those who could not make the journey for myriad of reasons.

This is democracy in action: the people trying to stop the country being taken down by a cabal of elites, political opportunists and free market capitalists.

Time for dinner

OLD BOY · 22-10-2018, 20:11

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Well that could possibly be an option in another vote. The people really would have only have themselves to blame then, which might be an attractive option for the politicians.

No more votes, Mr K. We're going.

Pierre · 22-10-2018, 20:13

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Well that could possibly be an option in another vote.

This is a fundamental fact some people haven’t grasped.

March next year we will exit the EU. That is law. Deal or no deal.

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Yup, and I for one definitely elected Arlene Foster and her lovely DUP chums to decide my future.

Democracy in action!

She’s not in the cabinet, next point.