Brexit (Old)

[tweetiepooh]

As in most situations - lock the politicians up somewhere to argue out the details and let the rest of us then carry on in a nice sensible manner.

We all "know" how it should work but most politicians want to ensure their "perks" and lifestyles will remain nice and feathered.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Dave42

can you see it getting passed parliament OB I cant see how any deal can and DUP want cliff edge no deal now and parliament wont vote for that either

I can only surmise, but I think both sides are hyping it up and that there is a way through this that will satisfy the EU, the DUP and the Brexiteers. If the deal clarifies that we will still be able to trade with the EU without tariffs with the Irish border issue agreed, I can see no reason why the Labour ranks won't be split either.

Obviously, we will have to wait and see, but I suspect that a lot of this is just for show.

If there is not clarity on ending the Customs Union, however, I cannot see how that would get through, because it would mean no new trade deals and an end to the advantage that Brexit would give us.

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Originally Posted by jonbxx

This is of course the ‘easiest deal in history’ so at least it’s good practice for the tougher ones down the line after we have left.

If it was played right and with goodwill on both sides, it would be.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

In the context of Brexit, what would an incredible deal constitute?

1. A 'no tariff' deal between the UK and the EU.

2. An agreement on ending the customs union while putting in place measures to resolve the NI issue without alienating the DUP.

Over 80% of everything is already agreed by negotiators on both sides - these are the remaining issues, which right minded people should be capable of resolving.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

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If it was had been played right and with goodwill on both sides, it would have been.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

As in most situations - lock the politicians up somewhere to argue out the details and let the rest of us then carry on in a nice sensible manner.

We all "know" how it should work but most politicians want to ensure their "perks" and lifestyles will remain nice and feathered.

Well, the to-ing and fro-ing of negotiators and civil servants between here and Brussells should have racked up lots of expense claims. A bit more haggling might ramp them up a bit more!

Nah, that's just cynical

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

If it was had been played right and with goodwill on both sides, it would have been.

It ain't over until the fat lady sings.

Having a spot of bother finding the fat lady at the mo....

[Angua]

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

As in most situations - lock the politicians up somewhere to argue out the details and let the rest of us then carry on in a nice sensible manner.

We all "know" how it should work but most politicians want to ensure their "perks" and lifestyles will remain nice and feathered.

As this quote puts it: -

“We put all our politicians in prison as soon as they’re elected. Don’t you?” “Why?” “It saves time.”
― Terry Pratchett, The Last Continent

[ianch99]

I do find it disconcerting that the DUP, a small number of Presbyterian Creationists can effectively decide the future prosperity of the UK.

Of course, the irony here is that a Hard No-Deal Brexit that the DUP, in league with the ERG, is steering us towards could ultimately deliver their demise. The combination of a hard border with the inevitable disproportionate impact on the UK provinces of a Hard Brexit will inexorably lead to a vote on Irish reunification that the Good Friday agreement enshrines if certain conditions are met.

Sinn Féin are playing the long game here. They want a Hard brexit as it is their best road to a United Ireland.

[1andrew1]

More suggestions from the EU to help the UK achieve Brexit.

Michel Barnier has said he is open to the possibility of a one-year extension to Britain’s Brexit transition in return for Theresa May accepting a “two-tier” backstop to avoid a border in Northern Ireland, according to EU diplomats.
On the eve of a Brexit summit in Brussels on Wednesday night, the EU’s chief Brexit negotiator told ministers from the 27 member states that Brussels was ready to propose fresh ideas to reach a deal by next month.
The plan, informally suggested to the UK in talks last week, involves including a one-year extension clause for the 21-month transition period, which ends in December 2020. This would grant more time to agree a new UK-EU trade relationship and avoid special arrangements for Northern Ireland.

https://www.ft.com/content/6582b8ce-...2-7574db66bcd5

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

1. A 'no tariff' deal between the UK and the EU.

2. An agreement on ending the customs union while putting in place measures to resolve the NI issue without alienating the DUP.

Over 80% of everything is already agreed by negotiators on both sides - these are the remaining issues, which right minded people should be capable of resolving.

Seems to me 1 is a given, the DUP will have to bend on 2. As they have just 6 MPs in a country that voted strongly in favour of remain, they need to show some flexibility.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

More suggestions from the EU to help the UK achieve Brexit.

https://www.ft.com/content/6582b8ce-...2-7574db66bcd5

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Seems to me 1 is a given, the DUP will have to bend on 2. As they have just 6 MPs in a country that voted strongly in favour of remain, they need to show some flexibility.

and leavers still say EU have done nothing to help Theresa May at all

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Dave42

and leavers still say EU have done nothing to help Theresa May at all

Certainly done a lot more to help her than turncoat Davis and back-stabber BoJo, that's for sure.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Certainly done a lot more to help her than turncoat Davis and back-stabber BoJo, that's for sure.

exactly

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Dave42

and leavers still say EU have done nothing to help Theresa May at all

It doesn't help TM one jot for as long as the EU insists on a non-time limited backstop. Theirs is a ploy to keep us in the customs union to prevent us from forging our own future. Can't you see that?

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

It doesn't help TM one jot for as long as the EU insists on a non-time limited backstop. Theirs is a ploy to keep us in the customs union to prevent us from forging our own future. Can't you see that?

they insisting on a backstop because no brexiteer has come up with a workable solution to keeping a open border as all parties want no border but one way to guarantee a hard border is a no deal Brexit as WTO rules insist they be one

and you do know the PM signed up to a backstop last December right

[jonbxx]

I am a little confused by this... Let me see if I have this straight;

• We leave in March 2019
• The EU offered a transition until the end of 2020 which is when the new budget cycle starts
• Theresa May states that she expects a trade deal to be in place by December 2021
• Barnier suggests to EU 27 a year extension to the transition, taking us to December 2021 (see FT link posted up there ^^^)

Didn't we just get what we wanted there?

I can see why an open ended transition is toxic politically but I think there is a need to show that any proposed solution to the Northern Ireland/Republic problem has a firm timeline.

[Dave42]

Little hope or expectation for a Brexit breakthrough as Theresa May heads to Brussels

https://news.sky.com/story/little-ho...ssels-11527719

Originally Posted by Dave42

they insisting on a backstop because no brexiteer has come up with a workable solution to keeping a open border as all parties want no border but one way to guarantee a hard border is a no deal Brexit as WTO rules insist they be one

and you do know the PM signed up to a backstop last December right

It's not up to a Brexiteer to come up with workable solution - however, you keep posting such nonsense because, for your information, a few leading Brexiteers have come up with easy and workable solutions. It's yet again, hard faced Remainers trying to weaponise the Northern Ireland border issue, to thwart or stop Brexit.

Desperate, desperate and very pathetic.