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1andrew1 · 14-10-2018, 17:55

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The government has come up with several amicable solutions, but the EU is not listening. It is quite good at the art of 'non'!

Given that we have come up with proposals and the EU are just standing there with arms folded, I really don't see how you can blame this on the government.

David Cameron came up with some very modest proposals and was rebuffed. The EU is just intransigent and doesn't have a democratic bone in its body of officials. I don't see why you want to defend them and place all the blame on May.

You still haven't told us what you would do in her place.

I think developments have overtaken your post. As we speak, Dominic Raab is meeting Michel Barnier.
Looks like a deal with the EU has been agreed; we will have to remain in a customs union until the technology comes along that enables a soft border in Ireland.
If Brexiter MPs are confident that this technology can be developed then they should support the PM. At the moment, they don't seem confident of this so Theresa May will have to get some of her support from the opposition benches.

Angua · 14-10-2018, 18:16

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I think developments have overtaken your post. As we speak, Dominic Raab is meeting Michel Barnier.
Looks like a deal with the EU has been agreed; we will have to remain in a customs union until the technology comes along that enables a soft border in Ireland.
If Brexiter MPs are confident that this technology can be developed then they should support the PM. At the moment, they don't seem confident of this so Theresa May will have to get some of her support from the opposition benches.

That will not go down well with the hard leave group.

Sephiroth · 14-10-2018, 18:27

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I think developments have overtaken your post. As we speak, Dominic Raab is meeting Michel Barnier.
Looks like a deal with the EU has been agreed; we will have to remain in a customs union until the technology comes along that enables a soft border in Ireland.
If Brexiter MPs are confident that this technology can be developed then they should support the PM. At the moment, they don't seem confident of this so Theresa May will have to get some of her support from the opposition benches.

The gap now between you and me (in this context) is that I am sceptical of the EU's bona fides in agreeing the technology. If we work on it together, and there is a political declaration that shapes the intended trade agreement, there is hope.

Then we have to get it through our fractious Parliament.

The end game MUST be a full break from the EU's political and theological institutions,

1andrew1 · 14-10-2018, 18:37

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

The gap now between you and me (in this context) is that I am sceptical of the EU's bona fides in agreeing the technology. If we work on it together, and there is a political declaration that shapes the intended trade agreement, there is hope.

Then we have to get it through our fractious Parliament.

The end game MUST be a full break from the EU's political and theological institutions,

What theological institutions?

Sephiroth · 14-10-2018, 18:47

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

What theological institutions?

Don't spoil it! You know exactly what I mean; the 4 freedoms instituted by the EU and which they artificially assert are threatened by our suggestions.

papa smurf · 14-10-2018, 18:49

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Originally Posted by pip08456

You are correct this time.

Even a broken clock.................

1andrew1 · 14-10-2018, 19:08

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Don't spoil it! You know exactly what I mean; the 4 freedoms instituted by the EU and which they artificially assert are threatened by our suggestions.

I don't and those are nothing to do with theology.
The other part of your post whilst incorrect is also irrelevant as a deal is imminent. Just need Theresa May to rally Jeremy Corbyn's MPs behind her and the deal is done.

papa smurf · 14-10-2018, 19:11

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I don't and those are nothing to do with theology.
The other part of your post whilst incorrect is also irrelevant as a deal is imminent. Just need Theresa May to rally Jeremy Corbyn's MPs behind her and the deal is done.

When the devil gets new ice skates

Sephiroth · 14-10-2018, 19:14

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I don't and those are nothing to do with theology.
The other part of your post whilst incorrect is also irrelevant as a deal is imminent. Just need Theresa May to rally Jeremy Corbyn's MPs behind her and the deal is done.

Please don't hang your hat on semantics when you know exactly what I mean. It's a metaphor for their rigid interpretation of the 4 freedoms. You've heard of metaphor, haven't you?

Jeez - you are being awkward just when I'm trying to close the gap between us.

1andrew1 · 14-10-2018, 19:30

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

When the devil gets new ice skates

lol with that phrase

The second funniest thing I read on Brexi today. The first was Arlene Foster, DUP leader, urging Theresa May “to stand by her principles and instincts rather than accepting a dodgy deal foisted on her by others”.

richard s · 14-10-2018, 20:23

Just love the infighting with the Tories... who's for the chop in the party I wonder.

jonbxx · 14-10-2018, 20:28

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I think developments have overtaken your post. As we speak, Dominic Raab is meeting Michel Barnier.
Looks like a deal with the EU has been agreed; we will have to remain in a customs union until the technology comes along that enables a soft border in Ireland.
If Brexiter MPs are confident that this technology can be developed then they should support the PM. At the moment, they don't seem confident of this so Theresa May will have to get some of her support from the opposition benches.

Well that didn’t last long! Deal apparently agreed at the technical level but not at the political. Barrier and Raab meet and it’s off again - https://www.politico.eu/article/brex...-deal-reached/

1andrew1 · 14-10-2018, 23:09

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Originally Posted by jonbxx

Well that didn’t last long! Deal apparently agreed at the technical level but not at the political. Barrier and Raab meet and it’s off again - https://www.politico.eu/article/brex...-deal-reached/

I reckon that's so a final deal can be sorted out at the last-minute and Theresa May can say she's got some concessions through tough negotiating.

nomadking · 15-10-2018, 01:20

Our current regulations on products are the SAME as the rest of the EU. That will also be the same on day one of the [mythical] Brexit. Surely there are no issues until we start changing them. Even then the changes will be known well in advance of being applied, not be major changes, and will affect a limited ranges of products.

It's possible our standards would be higher. Eg many years ago there was an issue with French UHT milk. UK producers were held to higher standards, which the French didn't meet. The UK tried to block imports of the sub-standard French UHT milk, but the EU said we couldn't.

As long as any product brought into or made in the UK has CE(ie EU) certification, there shouldn't be an issue at all.

1andrew1 · 15-10-2018, 01:37

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Originally Posted by nomadking

Our current regulations on products are the SAME as the rest of the EU. That will also be the same on day one of the [mythical] Brexit. Surely there are no issues until we start changing them. Even then the changes will be known well in advance of being applied, not be major changes, and will affect a limited ranges of products.

It's possible our standards would be higher. Eg many years ago there was an issue with French UHT milk. UK producers were held to higher standards, which the French didn't meet. The UK tried to block imports of the sub-standard French UHT milk, but the EU said we couldn't.

As long as any product brought into or made in the UK has CE(ie EU) certification, there shouldn't be an issue at all.

It all depends on what deal is negotiated. If a product has been certified by British certification firm with a CE mark it becomes invalid in the event of no deal as the certification firm is in a third country and can't be overseen by EU bodies. There could be a deal to avoid this but some things are hard to avoid if you're not in a single market. Trade deals commonly require the product you're exporting to have a certain level of local content. This makes sense, otherwise a developed company could do something like add a steering wheel to a Chinese made car and claim it's local.
For EU-made products, the local content can be from anywhere in the UK including the UK. When we leave the EU, our products won't be part of that percentage. Therefore, EU manufacturers may have to substitute British-made parts for EU-made parts to access trade deals.