Boris Johnson

Originally Posted by ianch99

I suspect it is dying, as you put it, because once you cover the points that Boris is an idiot and not fit for office, what is left? Just a bad joke ..

But not really.

Boris was the Mayor of London, which by the way, has a office that he WAS fit for and he did a rather splendid job of the place - far cry from what it has become now, under a certain crappy mayor, with moped crime/knife crime/Acid attacks/murders blah blah. He WAS fit for office and he would make a better PM than May and the terrorist loving sympathiser, leader of a leftist, socialist cult and a racist Anti-Semitic, Jeremy Corbyn, any day.

Originally Posted by Mick

But not really.

Boris was the Mayor of London, which by the way, has a office that he WAS fit for and he did a rather splendid job of the place - far cry from what it has become now, under a certain crappy mayor, with moped crime/knife crime/Acid attacks/murders blah blah. He WAS fit for office and he would make a better PM than May and the terrorist loving sympathiser, leader of a leftist, socialist cult and a racist Anti-Semitic, Jeremy Corbyn, any day.

Boris wasted a lot of money as mayor on pet projects like the skylift and the garden bridge. His record isn't great.

Originally Posted by Damien

Boris wasted a lot of money as mayor on pet projects like the skylift and the garden bridge. His record isn't great.

He is way better than the current one, any day.

His approval rating was 54% on leaving office of London Mayor in 2016. There was low expectations when he got the job, but as he was re-elected in 2012, to serve two terms, he must have been a hit to get that far.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

He is way better than the current one, any day.

His approval rating was 54% on leaving office of London Mayor in 2016. There was low expectations when he got the job, but as he was re-elected in 2012, to serve two terms, he must have been a hit to get that far.

Do you live in London Mick? Maybe best to leave it to Londoners to decide how brilliant he was. Personally think they were welcome to him ! Andy Burnham, now he's a great Mayor

Originally Posted by Mick

He is way better than the current one, any day.

His approval rating was 54% on leaving office of London Mayor in 2016. There was low expectations when he got the job, but as he was re-elected in 2012, to serve two terms, he must have been a hit to get that far.

You could say the same thing about Ken Livingston, then...

(I wouldn’t, but he served two terms)

Originally Posted by Mr K

Do you live in London Mick? Maybe best to leave it to Londoners to decide how brilliant he was. Personally think they were welcome to him ! Andy Burnham, now he's a great Mayor

I will remember that next time you criticise President Trump and will ask you if you live in America, if not, tell you to let them decide if he is good or not.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

I will remember that next time you criticise President Trump and will ask you if you live in America, if not, tell you to let them decide if he is good or not.

Same would apply to you Mick

I’ll decide what applies to me, no one else.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

As has been said before, the Labour Party seems to suffer from anti-Semitsm and the Conservative Party from Islamophobia. Neither cancels the other out but both leaders need to get a grip. JC by looking in the mirror and at his friends' list and TM at BoJo's latest pearls of wisdom. Until Theresa May asserts herself over BoJo, she has no chance in improving her negotiating position in Brussels.

First, you must not tarnish the Conservative Party with the word Islamophobia. You cannot substantiate that.

Second, a phobia has to be irrational. There is nothing irrational about being worried about what a Burka hides or, for that matter, a person with a beard and a rucksack sitting opposite you on the tube and praying might intend doing. There is nothing irrational about worrying what's going on in mosques when we read about Imams urging violence and so on.

Third, Boris may well behave like a buffoon at times but at least he says what he thinks and he's not far off the popular mark most times. He should have put the "letter box" comment in a more meaningful way around intimidating appearance or concealment. But he was, at least, defending peoples' right to wear what they choose in our country.

Fourth, this seems to be a Remainers vs Leavers debate.

We will find out more if Boris tries to become Conservative Leader and then, if so, what happens at the polls. If Boris wins, no doubt the Remainers in this topic will declare the electorate to be Islamophobic.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

First, you must not tarnish the Conservative Party with the word Islamophobia. You cannot substantiate that.

Second, a phobia has to be irrational. There is nothing irrational about being worried about what a Burka hides or, for that matter, a person with a beard and a rucksack sitting opposite you on the tube and praying might intend doing. There is nothing irrational about worrying what's going on in mosques when we read about Imams urging violence and so on.

Third, Boris may well behave like a buffoon at times but at least he says what he thinks and he's not far off the popular mark most times. He should have put the "letter box" comment in a more meaningful way around intimidating appearance or concealment. But he was, at least, defending peoples' right to wear what they choose in our country.

Fourth, this seems to be a Remainers vs Leavers debate.

We will find out more if Boris tries to become Conservative Leader and then, if so, what happens at the polls. If Boris wins, no doubt the Remainers in this topic will declare the electorate to be Islamophobic.

He does not need to substantiate it, it is, as you say, in the public domain:

Former Conservative co-chair Baroness Warsi: The Islamophobia scandal in the Conservative party goes 'right up to the top'

Some examples:

Tory MP accused of Islamophobia after posting anti-Muslim article on Facebook

Tory councillor suspended over 'Muslim parasites' post the day after visiting a mosque with party's Deputy chairman

Tory candidate suspended for suggesting ‘people hang bacon to protect homes from terrorism’

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

First, you must not tarnish the Conservative Party with the word Islamophobia. You cannot substantiate that.

Second, a phobia has to be irrational. There is nothing irrational about being worried about what a Burka hides or, for that matter, a person with a beard and a rucksack sitting opposite you on the tube and praying might intend doing. There is nothing irrational about worrying what's going on in mosques when we read about Imams urging violence and so on.

Third, Boris may well behave like a buffoon at times but at least he says what he thinks and he's not far off the popular mark most times. He should have put the "letter box" comment in a more meaningful way around intimidating appearance or concealment. But he was, at least, defending peoples' right to wear what they choose in our country.

Fourth, this seems to be a Remainers vs Leavers debate.

We will find out more if Boris tries to become Conservative Leader and then, if so, what happens at the polls. If Boris wins, no doubt the Remainers in this topic will declare the electorate to be Islamophobic.

Or claim they didn't know what they were voting for and demand a re-run .

[denphone]

Originally Posted by ianch99

He does not need to substantiate it, it is, as you say, in the public domain:

Former Conservative co-chair Baroness Warsi: The Islamophobia scandal in the Conservative party goes 'right up to the top'

Some examples:

Tory MP accused of Islamophobia after posting anti-Muslim article on Facebook

Tory councillor suspended over 'Muslim parasites' post the day after visiting a mosque with party's Deputy chairman

Tory candidate suspended for suggesting ‘people hang bacon to protect homes from terrorism’

Both main parties are still in denial with Islamophobia and Antisemitism as they basically pay insincere lip service to it in their parties.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

He does not need to substantiate it, it is, as you say, in the public domain:

baroness-warsi[/COLOR]-interview-2018-6"]Former Conservative co-chair Baroness Warsi: The Islamophobia scandal in the Conservative party goes 'right up to the top'
[SEPH]: Baroness Warsi would say that; wouldn't she?

Some examples:

Tory MP accused of Islamophobia after posting anti-Muslim article on Facebook
[SEPH]: Depends on your view of his words. How unjustified were they? See this article in the Telegraph: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/rel...UK-faiths.html from which I quote:
Sir Andrew Green, chairman of Migrationwatch, suggested the real number of foreign-born Muslims in the UK could be much higher, due to the presence of illegal immigrants who would be unlikely to respond to government surveys.

He said: "The rapid rise in the Muslim population is just one way in which mass immigration promoted, even encouraged, by this Government has affected the whole nature of our society."

Tory councillor suspended over 'Muslim parasites' post the day after visiting a mosque with party's Deputy chairman [SEPH]: That would seem to be irrational so he should be sanctioned. Doesn't mean the Tory Party is Islamophobic.

Tory candidate suspended for suggesting ‘people hang bacon to protect homes from terrorism’
[SEPH]: Ditto.

So where does that leave Boris? His words were rational, albeit poorly chosen.

[Chloé Palmas]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Or claim they didn't know what they were voting for and demand a re-run .

So you want elections to last a lifetime and not have new elections after a parliamentary period?

Maybe some of us who think that the public should have a final say on the EU issue are projecting a Democratic election onto the mandate of a referendum but perhaps you are projecting the principle of a referendum upon what is defined as an election?

These are not lifetime appointments when elected to parliament ; fresh elections after a certain period of time are the norm....

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Chloé Palmas

So you want elections to last a lifetime and not have new elections after a parliamentary period?

Maybe some of us who think that the public should have a final say on the EU issue are projecting a Democratic election onto the mandate of a referendum but perhaps you are projecting the principle of a referendum upon what is defined as an election?

These are not lifetime appointments when elected to parliament ; fresh elections after a certain period of time are the norm....

did you actually read what i said ?