Brexit (Old) - Page 28

Dave42 · 11-07-2018, 01:27

Brexit deal is 80% agreed, EU chief negotiator Michel Barnier says

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8440866.html

denphone · 11-07-2018, 06:21

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Originally Posted by Mick

And here we go conveniently forgetting the Remain camp lied as well....

On that l think we can be in agreement as sadly there has been a litany of lies by both sides.

1andrew1 · 11-07-2018, 06:40

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Originally Posted by Hugh

And Assange...

Lol.

Kursk · 11-07-2018, 12:42

This is now serious. A bit of tedious verbal ping-pong on the brexit result is one thing; a covert attempt to subvert British democracy is another.

A hard rain's a-gonna fall.

**Hugh** · 11-07-2018, 13:03

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Originally Posted by Kursk

This is now serious. A bit of tedious verbal ping-pong on the brexit result is one thing; a covert attempt to subvert British democracy is another.

A hard rain's a-gonna fall.

The Government is negotiating a deal that they think is best for the country - just because you don't agree with it, doesn't make it a subversion of democracy.

If any Remainers made a comment like that about a proposal they didn't agree with, they would (rightly) be shouted down.

That't the problem - for some people, there can be no compromise, but the real world is based on compromise.

denphone · 11-07-2018, 13:08

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Originally Posted by Hugh

The Government is negotiating a deal that they think is best for the country - just because you don't agree with it, doesn't make it a subversion of democracy.

If any Remainers made a comment like that about a proposal they didn't agree with, they would (rightly) be shouted down.

That't the problem - for some people, there can be no compromise, but the real world is based on compromise.

Never has a truer word been spoken.

papa smurf · 11-07-2018, 13:10

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Originally Posted by Hugh

The Government is negotiating a deal that they think is best for the country - just because you don't agree with it, doesn't make it a subversion of democracy.

If any Remainers made a comment like that about a proposal they didn't agree with, they would (rightly) be shouted down.

That't the problem - for some people, there can be no compromise, but the real world is based on compromise.

is it compromise or treachery i know which one i would pick .

Kursk · 11-07-2018, 13:34

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Originally Posted by Hugh

The Government is negotiating a deal that they think is best for the country - just because you don't agree with it, doesn't make it a subversion of democracy.

If any Remainers made a comment like that about a proposal they didn't agree with, they would (rightly) be shouted down.

That't the problem - for some people, there can be no compromise, but the real world is based on compromise.

I'm free to express my opinion which you have just shouted down

Democracy is being subverted.

**Mick** · 11-07-2018, 13:53

There would never have been a compromise had Remain won, so forgive me if I disregard it.

**Hugh** · 11-07-2018, 14:36

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Originally Posted by Kursk

I'm free to express my opinion which you have just shouted down

Democracy is being subverted.

And that’s the problem - some see disagreement, or a different viewpoint, as being shouted down.

I disagreed with your premise, I did not shout you down...

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Originally Posted by Mick

There would never have been a compromise had Remain won, so forgive me if I disregard it.

I’m impressed you can see the outcomes in alternate timelines...

Sephiroth · 11-07-2018, 15:13

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Originally Posted by Mick

There would never have been a compromise had Remain won, so forgive me if I disregard it.

Nicely put- but a Remain win would have meant no change so of course no compromise. So a moot point.

Betrayal comes more to mind. The Leave vote understood the possibility of cliff edge. We need to get away from the EU and its federal programme and those particular Brussels turds.

Dave42 · 11-07-2018, 16:07

https://twitter.com/i/status/1016703032460021760

OLD BOY · 11-07-2018, 19:25

I think we are all being too quick to rush to judgement on Theresa May's plan.

If the plan is to enable us to make our own deals with the rest of the world, have a separate trading arrangement with the EU ensuring frictionless borders, enable us to make our own employment laws, extracate ourselves from extortionate payments from the EU and end free movement - what is left to complain about?

Let's see the detail before we rush to judgement.

Sephiroth · 11-07-2018, 21:06

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Originally Posted by Dave42

https://twitter.com/i/status/1016703032460021760

None of that matters and it changes nothing. Since Clown Boris said that, we've had the Referendum and the EU has shown its true colours towards The UK.

The difficulty we're in is profound. We either have to water down Brexit if we are to have close trading ties to the EU (it would seem seriously watered down) or we have to have a clean break. The latter better reflects the Referendum result.

But the 52/48 split is another problem that fuels the Remainers in an undemocratic manner. Some of them plead that democracy is best served by a second referendum. If that is coupled with the fact that after two years eyes have been opened on both sides of the fence, then there is a case for a second referendum.

We either leave entirely (no deal) or we stay in the EU. The May proposal is a very bad deal that betrays the Referendum result.

**Damien** · 11-07-2018, 23:17

If this deal is so unacceptable then people need to come up with an alternative. The goldilocks Brexit does not exit. The thing about no-concessions, better trade deal, does not exist. Even standard trade deals involve concessions. The country needs to wake up to this.