Brexit discussion

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Interesting development if true. Sounds like Bino (Brexit in name only) which will save economic growth, tick the leave box but leave many things unchanged and Liam Fox out of a job.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...rs-fear-would/

This is a premium site and most of the report cannot be accessed without a subscription.

A key paragraph in that report states:

'But Mrs May, Mr Hammond and Mr Davis are understood to have been persuaded that “specific terms and frameworks” are less important than the final objective of taking back control of Britain’s laws, money and borders.'

I would imagine that this includes the right to secure our own trade deals, which is a key aspect of Brexit.

Andrew, I don’t think you should be posting from sites where one requires a subscription, this is not a official team request, but it’s not helpful when you post things that are behind a subscription service.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

Andrew, I don’t think you should be posting from sites where one requires a subscription, this is not a official team request, but it’s not helpful when you post things that are behind a subscription service.

I know where you're coming from and I do normally avoid it* but this article isn't available elsewhere. I don't subscribe to the Telegraph so only have the same access as anyone else but felt this development worth highlighting.

*The FT is accessible to all via Googling the headline

[denphone]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I know where you're coming from and I do normally avoid it* but this article isn't available elsewhere. I don't subscribe to the Telegraph so only have the same access as anyone else but felt this development worth highlighting.

*The FT is accessible to all via Googling the headline

Indeed l always try to provide a non paywall link as well Andrew but sometimes that is not possible sadly.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by denphone

Indeed l always try to provide a non paywall link as well Andrew but sometimes that is not possible sadly.

It's a dilemma. Some of the best sources like The Times are behind paywalls as this pays for the journalists to find and analyse the news.

[1andrew1]

Interesting times tomorrow in the customs union v non-customs union debate. (OK, I should get out more, I know! )

Senior Brexiteers have delivered an "ultimatum" demanding Theresa May drops one of the government's preferred post-Brexit customs options.
A 30-page document passed to the BBC says a "customs partnership" would make meaningful trade deals "impossible" and render the International Trade Department "obsolete".
It comes ahead of a key meeting of senior ministers on Wednesday.
They will discuss the different options to replace customs union membership.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43969101

[Mr K]

You know, I don't think its going very well.... It might just be that the whole Brexit concept was flawed in the first place. You can't polish a turd. Just saying

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Interesting times tomorrow in the customs union v non-customs union debate. (OK, I should get out more, I know! )


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43969101

I am wondering if this is a revisiting of a tactic the government has used in the past where they suggest something that causes a right old hoo ha, everyone goes ballistic and then they 'back down' saying they have listened. The 'back down' position would never fly normally but hey, at least it wasn't plan A (see social care reforms, corporate governance, etc.)

Originally Posted by Mr K

You know, I don't think its going very well.... It might just be that the whole Brexit concept was flawed in the first place. You can't polish a turd. Just saying

The Turd you speak of, is the EU and you’re right it cannot be polished, too corrupt, thank heavens we’re leaving it.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mick

The Turd you speak of, is the EU and you’re right it cannot be polished, too corrupt, thank heavens we’re leaving it.

You are right, Mick. The EU is going down the pan anyway () with the next financial crisis, due to the complete failure to establish central control over spending and taxation in the Eurozone.

The southern European countries are in no shape to weather another financial storm. It's only a matter of time now.

We are not in the Eurozone, but if we remained in the EU, we would be under enormous pressure to help with the huge bailout that would be necessary to support Greece, Italy and Portugal, and maybe others as well.

We are better out than in - remainers take note. The risk we face is if we stay IN the EU!

[arcimedes]

Originally Posted by Mick

The Turd you speak of, is the EU and you’re right it cannot be polished, too corrupt, thank heavens we’re leaving it.

I quite agree, much better to have our own home grown corruption.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by arcimedes

I quite agree, much better to have our own home grown corruption.

Plenty of that in our own political system..

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You are right, Mick. The EU is going down the pan anyway () with the next financial crisis, due to the complete failure to establish central control over spending and taxation in the Eurozone.

The southern European countries are in no shape to weather another financial storm. It's only a matter of time now.

We are not in the Eurozone, but if we remained in the EU, we would be under enormous pressure to help with the huge bailout that would be necessary to support Greece, Italy and Portugal, and maybe others as well.

We are better out than in - remainers take note. The risk we face is if we stay IN the EU!

Yet all countries in Europe, not just the EU have faster GDP growth than the UK apart from Russia - https://tradingeconomics.com/country...ntinent=europe

---------- Post added at 10:29 ---------- Previous post was at 10:28 ----------

Originally Posted by Mick

The Turd you speak of, is the EU and you’re right it cannot be polished, too corrupt, thank heavens we’re leaving it.

You mention that the EU is corrupt again so I went for a search for evidence that the European Union as an organisation is corrupt. The only evidence I can find is MEPs fiddling their expenses. Is there any other evidence you can link me up with?

Originally Posted by jonbxx

Yet all countries in Europe, not just the EU have faster GDP growth than the UK apart from Russia - https://tradingeconomics.com/country...ntinent=europe

Does not mean this makes EU perfect. All Remainers care about is the economic features of the EU, the EU is corrupt, we’re paying in to a corrupt entity, that has ambitions to become a United States of Europe. No thank you, no deal, let’s get out if this “cancer” of an organisation.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mick

Does not mean this makes EU perfect. All Remainers care about is the economic features of the EU, the EU is corrupt, we’re paying in to a corrupt entity, that has ambitions to become a United States of Europe. No thank you, no deal, let’s get out if this “cancer” of an organisation.

It should also be pointed out here that the EU has still not had its accounts signed off! It makes you wonder if they can even add up! Unless it IS corruption, of course!