Brexit discussion

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Kursk

The former. A mutually beneficial arrangement for the latter might be possible once M. Barnier learns respect for the UK; he is walking a knife edge.

If we go and strike our own trade deals, it is not possible to have frictionless trade with the EU. It doesn't matter what mood Michel Barnier or anyone else is in. Those are the rules of international trade - customs and regulatory compliance dictate this, it isn't a decision that can be made bilaterally

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

If we go and strike our own trade deals, it is not possible to have frictionless trade with the EU. It doesn't matter what mood Michel Barnier or anyone else is in. Those are the rules of international trade - customs and regulatory compliance dictate this, it isn't a decision that can be made bilaterally

This is one of the key thing that Old Boy needs to appreciate.
It's not about being negative or positive, Brexiter or Remainer. It's about the facts of international trade.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

If we go and strike our own trade deals, it is not possible to have frictionless trade with the EU. It doesn't matter what mood Michel Barnier or anyone else is in. Those are the rules of international trade - customs and regulatory compliance dictate this, it isn't a decision that can be made bilaterally

Oh well, striking our own deals it is then. Au revoir Barney.

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Kursk

Oh well, striking our own deals it is then. Au revoir Barney.

It’s only an additional burden for 45% of our exports that never existed before. The point I was making was that this 100% will affect exporting businesses if they ship to the EU so to say there won’t be a cost is incorrect.

In other news, the letter presented in 2016 by the Japanese Ministry for Foreign Affairs to the UK and EU has just been published. It’s pretty blunt! The requests are on page 4 with extra details further on.

You can see it here - http://www.mofa.go.jp/files/000185466.pdf

[Carth]

Japan knows it's playing on the slide, not the climbing frame. They're just trying to make sure their economy doesn't hit a brick wall by ensuring ours does

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

If we go and strike our own trade deals, it is not possible to have frictionless trade with the EU. It doesn't matter what mood Michel Barnier or anyone else is in. Those are the rules of international trade - customs and regulatory compliance dictate this, it isn't a decision that can be made bilaterally

I don't believe you are thinking outside the box. Clearly, the government believes there is a way through this.

For example, you can have frictionless trade for certain goods and not others. I haven't looked into this, but it may be possible to give the UK some sort of agency status to conduct certain affairs on behalf of the EU, and the EU on behalf of the UK.

It is a question of looking in detail at the rules and working out how they can be applied in this situation. It is not as black and white as some are making out.

The government has said often enough that our future outside the EU is dependent on our being able to strike our own trade deals. If what you said was correct, why do you think the government is proceeding in the way it is? Problems are rarely insurmountable.

Originally Posted by Carth

Japan knows it's playing on the slide, not the climbing frame. They're just trying to make sure their economy doesn't hit a brick wall by ensuring ours does

It’s the third largest economy in the world, twice the size of the UK’s.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I don't believe you are thinking outside the box. Clearly, the government believes there is a way through this.

For example, you can have frictionless trade for certain goods and not others. I haven't looked into this, but it may be possible to give the UK some sort of agency status to conduct certain affairs on behalf of the EU, and the EU on behalf of the UK.

It is a question of looking in detail at the rules and working out how they can be applied in this situation. It is not as black and white as some are making out.

The government has said often enough that our future outside the EU is dependent on our being able to strike our own trade deals. If what you said was correct, why do you think the government is proceeding in the way it is? Problems are rarely insurmountable.

Because this government (and previous ones) have such a great track record in getting the outcomes they expect... (Referendum, 2015 General Election, etc.).

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Hugh

It’s the third largest economy in the world, twice the size of the UK’s.

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Because this government (and previous ones) have such a great track record in getting the outcomes they expect... (Referendum, 2015 General Election, etc.).

Ha ha! Yes, but we all know how fickle the public is! Just one event during the run up to an election or referendum can change everything.

I guess it would be repetitive to remind everyone of all the economic forecasts that have been completely wrong. Wasn't the economy meant to have nose dived by now, incidentally?

[Osem]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Ha ha! Yes, but we all know how fickle the public is! Just one event during the run up to an election or referendum can change everything.

I guess it would be repetitive to remind everyone of all the economic forecasts that have been completely wrong. Wasn't the economy meant to have nose dived by now, incidentally?

Now you know none of that matters don't you. lol

All the speculation and 'what ifs' do but the facts of what's actually happened despite all the remain side's numerous predictions of doom about what would follow the vote can just be forgotten and in no way cast any doubt on the validity of their argument. Talk about being selective eh?...

[Gavin78]

The EU is backwards, for the 21st Century that fact you have to be in a "club" and pay billions into this club in order to trade and make rules is prehistoric. We need to be out of this club we are being used not just by the EU but the world that is using the UK as a means to gain access to the EU.

The world needs to know that we are standing on our own 2 feet now. Where was the EU when it came to paying back the billions of $$ in order to save it from WW2 no thanks for that.

Especially when you get the likes of Junker making fun of the UK "******" and people want to be part of this club.

I would sooner go off the cliff edge than stick around in a club that more than likely sniggers at the UK when we are not around.

Racists they are and we can't even claim back on investments put into the EU but they are happy to take billions in a divorce bill for future commitments.

How many are these so called experts actually genuine in wanting to leave or had back handers to say these dooms day things?

As I already said companies currently putting prices up and using Brexit as an excuse is utter bull they don't even know how all this will turn out yet but have made a mockery out of the general public riding on the back off it.

The governement needs to step in on this as well.

[arcimedes]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

As I already said companies currently putting prices up and using Brexit as an excuse is utter bull they don't even know how all this will turn out yet but have made a mockery out of the general public riding on the back off it.

Nothing at all to do with the drop in value of the pound against the euro and dollar is it?

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by arcimedes

Nothing at all to do with the drop in value of the pound against the euro and dollar is it?

The drop in the pound was actually helpful for trade. It was over-valued anyway, that was pretty well known. This really is clutching at straws! Look again at the predictions that were made about what would happen immediately after a vote to leave.

It. Didn't. Happen.

[heero_yuy]

Quote from OLD BOY:


The drop in the pound was actually helpful for trade. It was over-valued anyway, that was pretty well known. This really is clutching at straws! Look again at the predictions that were made about what would happen immediately after a vote to leave.

It. Didn't. Happen.

Takes a special kind of pig-headedness to be wrong 100% of the time and not be man enough admit it.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

[Hom3r]

The bremoaners are peeing me off, with the constant going on and on about stopping brexit.

We're leaving get the fuff over it.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Takes a special kind of pig-headedness to be wrong 100% of the time and not be man enough admit it.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Do you think that a decrease in the value of the Pound can lead to a rise in the cost of imported goods and services?