Government & Post Election Discussion - Page 78

Mr K · 01-02-2018, 11:50

Yeah, stick the knife in whilst she's out of the country, how Tory ! My bet in on Dr Fox, hes a weasel...

**Damien** · 01-02-2018, 11:51

Here are all the minsters: https://www.gov.uk/government/ministers

I think you can rule out the cabinet but not those who attend cabinet. The Sun is specific in the language it used and a minister who attends cabinet is not in the cabinet.

pip08456 · 01-02-2018, 11:56

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Originally Posted by Damien

Here are all the minsters: https://www.gov.uk/government/ministers

I think you can rule out the cabinet but not those who attend cabinet. The Sun is specific in the language it used and a minister who attends cabinet is not in the cabinet.

It boils down to one of two as the Sun specifically states...

"The respected Tory MP has told allies he is close to resigning..."

heero_yuy · 01-02-2018, 11:58

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Quote from Damien:

Here are all the minsters: https://www.gov.uk/government/ministers

I think you can rule out the cabinet but not those who attend cabinet. The Sun is specific in the language it used and a minister who attends cabinet is not in the cabinet.

Pick a card, these attend cabinet but are not in it:

Leader of the House of Commons
Lord President of the Council Andrea Leadsom MP 2017–present

Chief Secretary to the Treasury Elizabeth Truss MP 2017–present
Chief Whip in the House of Commons

Parliamentary Secretary to the Treasury Julian Smith MP 2017–present

Attorney General Jeremy Wright QC MP 2014–present

Minister of State for Immigration Caroline Nokes MP 2018–present

Minister of State for Climate Change and Industry Claire Perry MP 2017–present

Wiki

**Damien** · 01-02-2018, 12:04

The Sun just said they're not in the cabinet so it could be anyone who attends cabinet or not. Alan Duncan is my guess

jonbxx · 10-02-2018, 12:23

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Originally Posted by richard s

Can't wait for the toryexit...

Corbyn will not win the next election but there is a very real chance that May could lose the next election. Same result in the end...

denphone · 10-02-2018, 12:25

A weak minority government is the most likely outcome come the next election.

1andrew1 · 10-02-2018, 12:28

That's what happened at the last election, anyway.

**Mick** · 10-02-2018, 12:37

Note the last three posts were moved from Brexit thread to here but I used incorrect option and lost the posts, so I have manually added who said what with the Author. Apologies but they have a new time stamps, if the Authors are wondering time of posts etc. Must drink more coffee...

jonbxx · 11-02-2018, 20:48

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Originally Posted by Mick

Note the last three posts were moved from Brexit thread to here but I used incorrect option and lost the posts, so I have manually added who said what with the Author. Apologies but they have a new time stamps, if the Authors are wondering time of posts etc. Must drink more coffee...

I was confused where my comment went! I was starting to doubt myself there. Thanks for moving, it is deffo more relevant here.

OLD BOY · 12-02-2018, 10:16

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Originally Posted by jonbxx

Corbyn will not win the next election but there is a very real chance that May could lose the next election. Same result in the end...

There's no chance of that unless there's an unexpected snap election.

Theresa May is the only person to conduct the Brexit negotiations without alienating one side or the other. Once that is done, they will elect a new leader.

Mr K · 12-02-2018, 21:32

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

There's no chance of that unless there's an unexpected snap election.

Theresa May is the only person to conduct the Brexit negotiations without alienating one side or the other. Once that is done, they will elect a new leader.

It's her own side she seems to alienate most. Will the Tories ever stop fighting each other? There is the country to run after all, and that Brexit thing to deal with too... Somehow I think ambition in Tory party will come before country, 'plus ca change'....

OLD BOY · 13-02-2018, 10:25

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Originally Posted by Mr K

It's her own side she seems to alienate most. Will the Tories ever stop fighting each other? There is the country to run after all, and that Brexit thing to deal with too... Somehow I think ambition in Tory party will come before country, 'plus ca change'....

If you think the Conservatives are at each other's throats, how would you describe Labour's problems under Corbyn, then?

He could never form a government because nobody would want to serve in his Cabinet!

The arguments taking place from factions in the government are magnified because TM has no majority in the Commons. This gives every Conservative much more power to get their way because every vote counts. We saw the same thing in the Callaghan government in the 1970s.

Sorry, but the argument that the government is in chaos really doesn't wash. If it was we'd never have got through Phase I of the Brexit negotiations, would we?

Mr K · 13-02-2018, 21:53

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

If you think the Conservatives are at each other's throats, how would you describe Labour's problems under Corbyn, then?

He could never form a government because nobody would want to serve in his Cabinet!

The arguments taking place from factions in the government are magnified because TM has no majority in the Commons. This gives every Conservative much more power to get their way because every vote counts. We saw the same thing in the Callaghan government in the 1970s.

Sorry, but the argument that the government is in chaos really doesn't wash. If it was we'd never have got through Phase I of the Brexit negotiations, would we?

We got through phase 1 because we gave the EU everything it wanted ! We blinked first. Our hand is weak and so is our Government.

OLD BOY · 14-02-2018, 14:04

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Originally Posted by Mr K

We got through phase 1 because we gave the EU everything it wanted ! We blinked first. Our hand is weak and so is our Government.

Did we? I don't recall the government agreeing to the £100 billion they were asking for - did I miss something?

In the end, we are leaving the EU with a two year (or thereabouts) implementation period, we are leaving the Common Market and we are seeking a customs agreement. We want smooth movement of goods, a trade and services agreement, no more free movement of people and freedom to make our own laws.

That is what Theresa wants to achieve and she will be measured against that. As to whether we are still under ECJ jurisdiction during the implementation period, that is neither here nor there really as it is only temporary, but we will get some kind of protection or say over new laws that would affect us adversely during that time.

The money has already been agreed in principle at about £40bn, which is a fair sum given our obligations and commitments, but remember that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed. After all, Barnier himself said so!