Government & Post Election Discussion

[heero_yuy]

Tone's not very happy:

Tony Blair has blasted Labour branding it “much worse” than it was during the party’s wilderness years in the 1980s.

The former PM slammed Jeremy Corbyn saying he had allowed “extreme elements” to dominate the party.

Labour’s most successful leader lamented the state of the party he led to three election victories in an interview with the Evening Standard.

In his view the party is under worse stewardship now than it was under Michael Foot during his ill fated opposition to Margaret Thatcher.

He said: “Now is worse, much worse, because it’s happening with the support of the leadership.

"They are bringing back the more extreme elements that were either outside the party or marginalised.”

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[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Tone's not very happy:



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That's the first time I've agreed with Tony Blair in a while.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

That's the first time I've agreed with Tony Blair in a while.

It's the only time EVER!

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

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Looks like the far left is tightening its grip on the Labour party.

Well they shouldn't just sit there like turkeys waiting for Christmas. The moderate Labour MPs need to form a new offshoot party while they still can, and show Joe Public how they are making a difference in the House of Commons.

If there are more of them than the hard Left who want to stick with Corbyn, they will immediately become the official opposition. That will also give them the opportunity to agree a new constitution for the new party, implementing sensible election rules and taking away the power of the unions.

If they do nothing, they deserve to get de-selected. Now is the time to be bold.

The voters haven’t shown much encouragement to anyone thinking of starting a moderate centrist party. Moderates seem to be losing across politics other than in France.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Tone's not very happy:



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Good, anything that makes that man 'not happy' is something I'm in favour of

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Damien

The voters haven’t shown much encouragement to anyone thinking of starting a moderate centrist party. Moderates seem to be losing across politics other than in France.

I think most would acknowledge that a centre left Labour Party would garner more votes than the hard left Corbyn Labour Party.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I think most would acknowledge that a centre left Labour Party would garner more votes than the hard left Corbyn Labour Party.

l think that is quite true and l think one can apply that sentiment to the Conservative party as well OB as they like Labour they won't get a decent overall majority unless they appeal to be their more moderate voters more instead of veering more off to the right.

[denphone]

Some thoughts by Lord Ashcroft about the next election.

http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2018/01...next-election/

[Osem]

More Labour nonsense from the maestros of outdated political dogma.

According to the Shadow Chancellor the answer to Venezuela's tragic economic problems is more socialism.

https://order-order.com/2018/01/26/m...ialist-enough/

Oddly, they're still unable to give us that shining example of where that works however...

Can anyone seriously imagine idiots like this running the UK?

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Osem

Can anyone seriously imagine idiots like this running the UK?

Yes, I remember the late 70's. Buy gold as money will be worth diddly squat.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by denphone

l think that is quite true and l think one can apply that sentiment to the Conservative party as well OB as they like Labour they won't get a decent overall majority unless they appeal to be their more moderate voters more instead of veering more off to the right.

...And yet Maggie Thatcher gained huge popularity in the country, and I wouldn't call her a centrist.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

...And yet Maggie Thatcher gained huge popularity in the country, and I wouldn't call her a centrist.

Maggie Thatcher was what l would call classical liberalism.

I think the biggest problem in UK politics has been the concentrating on the do called centre ground that reduced all parties to amost lookalike status. I think people want clear differences between the political parties and opposing ideology it creates the chance for people to really debate and decide who best fits their beliefs. I'm tired of the politics we have had for the last 20 years that's seen the rise of political correctness an explosion of ethnic diversity and the turning of our police forces into more ideological enforcers then traditional bobbies. There is an increasing number of people in the UK who don't feel this is their country anymore and no one but knuckle dragging far right are even acknowledging the issue much less trying to find a solution, there is deep anger and resentment growing in the UK i hope I'm dead or living abroad when it comes to a head.

Originally Posted by denphone

Maggie Thatcher was what l would call classical liberalism.

19th Century Classic Liberalism, perhaps, with a focus on individualism?

I saw her more as economically liberal, with a strong streak of authoritarianism.