U.S President: Donald Trump

Originally Posted by Osem

I wonder if all those who despise Trump for being a womaniser, having dubious morals etc think of JFK in the same way. Just imagine what would have come out regarding all his shenanigans had the internet been around during his tenure...

Hard to tell what people would think in retrospect especially when comparing different periods of time.

The issue isn't so much the womanising though that might be a moral failing but who really cares? The issue would be if it was harassment or worse. The tape was someone boasting of something which would easily classify as harassment. Clinton had examples if abusing power and harassment. Al Franklin was harassment too.

People on either side struggle to condemn their own as they would others. It's an understandable defensive impulse to assume your friends and allies are innocent and under partisan attack, especially when partisanship is a daily part of life, but at some point you need to take a step back and ask if you're holding yourself to the same standard as you hold others.

I am not sure JFK is useful here when there are far more modern comparisons that can be made. The Democrats today have had senators and former Presidents accused of these crimes.

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by Mick

Yes because violence is always the answer, when things don't go peoples way. How super intelligent.

You'd never hear Donald Trump inciting violence would you, because as you say violence is never the answer. Oh wait...

Cheers

Dave

Originally Posted by Mr Banana

What!!!

Ok - I am pointing out that i despise the man

Or if you prefer - I am letting you know that I despise the man

Or is this better - Mick I'm just telling you, I despise the man

I am really not sure how many times you have to feel the need to tell me.

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

You'd never hear Donald Trump inciting violence would you, because as you say violence is never the answer. Oh wait...

Cheers

Dave

Totally different scenario. Arthur is going on about someone going up to punch Trump, because he's Trump and the President and in the White House.

Violence against violent protesters throwing food and missiles, I have no issues with.

Next ?

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by Mick

I am really not sure how many times you have to feel the need to tell me.

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Totally different scenario. Arthur is talking about going on about someone going up to punch Trump, because he's Trump and the President and in the White House.

Violence against violent protesters throwing food and missiles, I have no issues with.

Next ?

So violence IS sometimes the answer . Make your mind up Mick.

Cheers

Dave

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

So violence IS sometimes the answer

Cheers

Dave

You need to put your glasses on and re-read my post, I said violence is not the answer when things don't go peoples way and wanting to punch someone simply because of who they are, is pathetic.

I have no issues with protesting, but throwing food/rocks/projectiles at a campaign rally, is not a legitimate and peaceful protest.

Next ?

Cheers

Mick.

Originally Posted by Mick

You need to put your glasses on and re-read my post, I said violence is not the answer when things don't go peoples way and wanting to punch someone simply because of who they are, is pathetic.

I have no issues with protesting, but throwing food/rocks/projectiles at a campaign rally, is not a legitimate and peaceful protest.

Next ?

Cheers

Mick.

Rocks and projectiles aren’t mentioned in that clip, only tomatoes?

Originally Posted by Hugh

Rocks and projectiles aren’t mentioned in that clip, only tomatoes?

Seriously ?

A Tomato is a projectile Hugh.

Any object that gets thrown in to the air, by force, becomes a projectile.

I have done the google searching for you for free this time... here you go...

A projectile is any object thrown into space (empty or not) by the exertion of a force.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projectile

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by Mick

You need to put your glasses on and re-read my post, I said violence is not the answer when things don't go peoples way and wanting to punch someone simply because of who they are, is pathetic.

I have no issues with protesting, but throwing food/rocks/projectiles at a campaign rally, is not a legitimate and peaceful protest.

Next ?

Cheers

Mick.

But things (well the tomatoes) were going his way, or he was scared they were .

Cheers

Dave

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Rocks and projectiles aren’t mentioned in that clip, only tomatoes?

Isn't a projectile somethig which is thrown as well as a form of missile?

[Mr K]

# You say tomato , i say projectile...#

I'll get my coat....

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Damien

Hard to tell what people would think in retrospect especially when comparing different periods of time.

The issue isn't so much the womanising though that might be a moral failing but who really cares? The issue would be if it was harassment or worse. The tape was someone boasting of something which would easily classify as harassment. Clinton had examples if abusing power and harassment. Al Franklin was harassment too.

People on either side struggle to condemn their own as they would others. It's an understandable defensive impulse to assume your friends and allies are innocent and under partisan attack, especially when partisanship is a daily part of life, but at some point you need to take a step back and ask if you're holding yourself to the same standard as you hold others.

I am not sure JFK is useful here when there are far more modern comparisons that can be made. The Democrats today have had senators and former Presidents accused of these crimes.

I'm not sure many more modern presidents have got up to quite the amount of immoral stuff JFK did and still been remembered quite so fondly but there we are. I think there's a degree of double standards in play here and that was my point.

Originally Posted by Mick

Seriously ?

A Tomato is a projectile Hugh.

Any object that gets thrown in to the air, by force, becomes a projectile.

I have done the google searching for you for free this time... here you go...



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projectile

You were the one who posted the words

throwing food/rocks/projectiles

Let’s narrow it down, then - where are the rocks you mentioned?

Originally Posted by Hugh

You were the one who posted the words

Let’s narrow it down, then - where are the rocks you mentioned?

I was generalizing Hugh. Food/Rocks/Projectiles. Does it really matter in the grand scheme of things ?

Throwing any of them at people or someone is not a peaceful and legitimate way of protesting.

Seriously. I am not playing this 'clutching at straws' game.

[1andrew1]

I think we can all accept that the throwing of rocks was false and that tomatoes are projectiles and can now move on.

Now, moving on it's interesting to see Bannon grovelling for the comments he made to Michael Woolff which were published in his number one best-selling book. Two key things here:
- The damning quotes attributed to Bannon are indeed correct and vindicate Woolf's statement that he has recordings of the interviews. It gives the book more credibility.
- According to the linked article, Bannon sees apologising as a weakness so he is clearly rattled by Trump's reaction to the book.
https://www.axios.com/scoop-bannon-s...e5ee2b493.html

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I think we can all accept that the throwing of rocks was false and that tomatoes are projectiles and can now move on.

Now, moving on it's interesting to see Bannon grovelling for the comments he made to Michael Woolff which were published in his number one best-selling book. Two key things here:
- The damning quotes attributed to Bannon are indeed correct and vindicate Woolf's statement that he has recordings of the interviews. It gives the book more credibility.
- According to the linked article, Bannon sees apologising as a weakness so he is clearly rattled by Trump's reaction to the book.
https://www.axios.com/scoop-bannon-s...e5ee2b493.html

I am beginning to wonder if he does actually have any recordings. They would have leaked by now... If the crooks at New York Times can leak sensitive photos shared via the intelligence community, they can leak an audio file from a backstreet journalist.