Government & Post Election Discussion

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

Ed Miliband is a catalyst as to why we are in this mess

David Cameron is the reason we are in this mess. Calling a referendum with the sole reason of saving his own job (which failed). The country was already massively socially divided as a result of his Govt., now it's irreparably divided because of his selfish actions. (Dave's gone very quiet of late, quite rightly keeping a low profile).

I think the extremes are being more successful and that includes Corbyn. Anyone who sounds like a middle-of-the-road technocrat doesn't break though as successfully as someone who is a radical departure from the norm.

[Carth]

. . a radical departure from the norm

I think we're all aware that anyone outside of the current parameters of 'plain, boring, ineffectual' would never in a million years be considered as a leader.

. . . although it did once make very good comedy

Originally Posted by Carth

I think we're all aware that anyone outside of the current parameters of 'plain, boring, ineffectual' would never in a million years be considered as a leader.

I would argue that Corbyn is outside the parameters of what we would have previously considered normal. The idea someone who was aligned with the Socialist Workers Party, wrote for magazines with soviet sympathies and associated with IRA members during 'the troubles' would lead one of the major parties - let alone almost win an election - would have been unthinkable 10 years ago.

Watch as Labour implodes in on itself and rebrands to The Momentum Party. That’s where we’re headed.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Damien

I would argue that Corbyn is outside the parameters of what we would have previously considered normal. The idea someone who was aligned with the Socialist Workers Party, wrote for magazines with soviet sympathies and associated with IRA members during 'the troubles' would lead one of the major parties - let alone almost win an election - would have been unthinkable 10 years ago.

true . . . but is he a leader?

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Carth

true . . . but is he a leader?

No he is not but is Theresa May a leader either?.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by denphone

No he is not but is Theresa May a leader either?.

Rather more so than Corbyn, of that we can be sure.

Considering what has happened to Theresa May this year - knock after knock after knock - she just keeps going. Not many politicians would be able to survive that.

Despite all the chaos going on around her, she continues to move forward, step by step, softly, softly catchee monkey.

[richard s]

One of mates has now gone... THE BOOT.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by richard s

One of mates has now gone... THE BOOT.

Theresa has sacked a key ally due to a breach of the ministerial code. That is a sign of strength, not weakness.

Jeremy Hunt is being tipped to become new Deputy PM, this will get him off the running of the NHS, which I have to say he has done a piss poor job at. Can't really mess up First Minister role, bit of a non-role, just a close ally for the PM to lean on.

Deputy PM job is not like the Vice Presidency in the U.S, the Deputy PM would not become Prime Minister in the event of the incapacitation of the sitting PM.

A Leadership contest would still take place.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Theresa has sacked a key ally due to a breach of the ministerial code. That is a sign of strength, not weakness.

Yes remind us all how united and scandal free Labour is under Corbyn. What's happened to Keith Vaz I wonder. Search and ye shall find... Vast numbers of Labour MP's hate Corbyn but are scared of Momentum loonies. They have the audacity to criticise May's handling of Brexit yet if you ask what their policy is you'll find it impossible to get the same answer from virtually any of their front bench which is why Corbyn avoids Brexit like the plague during PMQs. If it wasn't so pathetic it'd be laughable yet some people still suck up their nonsense because they see/hear what they want to rather than what's being said/done...

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Osem

Yes remind us all how united and scandal free Labour is under Corbyn. What's happened to Keith Vaz I wonder. Search and ye shall find... Vast numbers of Labour MP's hate Corbyn but are scared of Momentum loonies. They have the audacity to criticise May's handling of Brexit yet if you ask what their policy is you'll find it impossible to get the same answer from virtually any of their front bench which is why Corbyn avoids Brexit like the plague during PMQs. If it wasn't so pathetic it'd be laughable yet some people still suck up their nonsense because they see/hear what they want to rather than what's being said/done...

I must say, I have been taken aback by the number of people on this forum who would vote for Corbyn in a heartbeat.

I know that some people would vote Labour no matter who was the leader of the party.

But honestly, Jeremy Corbyn? The same man who praises terrorists, sided with the IRA instead of Britain in the Troubles and is an non apologetic Marxist Communist? Who can't get anyone of any integrity or substance to serve in his Shadow Cabinet?

I despair sometimes.

[richard s]

Jeremy Hunt a well liked bloke in the NHS role tipped to become Dep Prime Minister... I double despair. I was taken aback to see how many Tory supporters there are on this forum.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I must say, I have been taken aback by the number of people on this forum who would vote for Corbyn in a heartbeat.

I know that some people would vote Labour no matter who was the leader of the party.

But honestly, Jeremy Corbyn? The same man who praises terrorists, sided with the IRA instead of Britain in the Troubles and is an non apologetic Marxist Communist? Who can't get anyone of any integrity or substance to serve in his Shadow Cabinet?

I despair sometimes.

Don't forget McDonnell and Abbott especially. My God if they were running the country people would realise what chaos is.