Government & Post Election Discussion

Originally Posted by Mr K

Mmm, what next ? food banks ? Brexit ? This sounds a nightmare !

Oh, hello Mr K, that was a short exodus from this so called echo chamber, come back to kiss and make up, that goodnight kiss you gave was a bit of a wet one last night LOL ?

Btw, the UK will not be isolated post Brexit. Venezuela’s isolation is due to the Country holding an illegal referendum that’s given the President totalitarian Authority.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by denphone

Very true Socialism does not work but one does not need to be Einstein to see unfettered Capitalism does not work neither..

We're not living under unfettered capitalism or anything like it.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Mick

I don’t agree. There is no middle ground.

People should work and strive to better themselves, but under socialist terms, they would not need to bother, everyone is treated equally, wealth is shared.

People start to fall into a permanent lazy mode, because it won’t matter, they will be looked after, but at a detrimental cost. Advanced people skills drop, people over time drop out of the skill mix career pool, teachers, doctors etc, vacancies increase tenfold, because nobody is qualified to fill the positions, but why bother to work harder, to better one self, because the lazy person down the road doesn’t need to, but shares in the same wealth, the system that keeps civilisation ticking over begins to fall apart, end result, it’s Venezuela MK II, people going hungry, government becomes a dictatorship, the country becomes isolated from rest of the world.

Total claptrap. Reducing the choice of a political system to a cartoon, child-like comparison is laughable.

There is a whole range of choices on the political spectrum between the regime you claim to represent Socialism and the right of centre future we are sliding towards. The Nordic Model offers some good policy choices ...

Originally Posted by Mick

I don’t agree. There is no middle ground.

But there clearly is. A lot of countries have some degree of social ownership or socialist ideas.

That said no one really seems to define socialism in the same way. The Americans seem to think anyone and everything is socialist.

[Gavin78]

Well the current models they've used to test the banks if Brexit takes the hard route seems to have shown we can stand it.

Means room to invest at home in our own manufacturing industry thus creating more jobs. the only problem we have is another GE in 2019

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

Well the current models they've used to test the banks if Brexit takes the hard route seems to have shown we can stand it.

Means room to invest at home in our own manufacturing industry thus creating more jobs. the only problem we have is another GE in 2019

Yes good news but I wouldn't be surprised if someone pops along shortly to say completely the opposite and we're all doomed...

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

Well the current models they've used to test the banks if Brexit takes the hard route seems to have shown we can stand it.

Why should the Banks have to withstand anything ? Clearly Brexit is going to be of huge benefit, not some oncoming economic disaster where aim is to just survive ?
(however think you've posted on the wrong thread )

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

Well the current models they've used to test the banks if Brexit takes the hard route seems to have shown we can stand it.

Means room to invest at home in our own manufacturing industry thus creating more jobs. the only problem we have is another GE in 2019

This explains in some detail about the rise and fall of British manufacturing especially the much more detailed first link.

https://www.cbr.cam.ac.uk/fileadmin/...pers/wp459.pdf

https://www.newstatesman.com/culture...strial-decline

https://www.ft.com/content/9fd4ab50-...7-a121aa8abd95

Originally Posted by Gavin78

Well the current models they've used to test the banks if Brexit takes the hard route seems to have shown we can stand it.

Means room to invest at home in our own manufacturing industry thus creating more jobs. the only problem we have is another GE in 2019

Originally Posted by Osem

Yes good news but I wouldn't be surprised if someone pops along shortly to say completely the opposite and we're all doomed...

One thing about Brexit is that it does make Corbyn's vision easier to achieve. If Brexit requires us to change how we approach the economy then he has the space to argue for his vision.

As for manufacturing China are still there, even with the weaker pound it's a difficult battle to win. The service industry was working out well for us.

[Gavin78]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Why should the Banks have to withstand anything ? Clearly Brexit is going to be of huge benefit, not some oncoming economic disaster where aim is to just survive ?
(however think you've posted on the wrong thread )

Think you are getting me confused I'm all for brexit and I haven't posted in the wrong thread.

I never said it was going to be an economic disaster either I'll leave that to the remainers. It was posted in this thread because it's post election, better the banks are ready and shows the current government are at least doing something. Given that Corbyn would have been let in the banks wouldn't have been ready the money would have funded the increase in living wage for the lazy benefit claimants that see dole as a way to live.

I'm more bothered about another GE so soon after leaving (better that May doesn't leave us in the tripe like Cameron did)

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Why should the Banks have to withstand anything ? Clearly Brexit is going to be of huge benefit, not some oncoming economic disaster where aim is to just survive ?
(however think you've posted on the wrong thread )

Of course banks shouldn't have to withstand anything. Just like the Government shouldn't spend billions bailing them out. Let the buggers go bust!

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Of course banks shouldn't have to withstand anything. Just like the Government shouldn't spend billions bailing them out. Let the buggers go bust!

And where would that leave us? All bust too...

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Originally Posted by Gavin78

Think you are getting me confused I'm all for brexit and I haven't posted in the wrong thread.

Sorry, I was being a bit 'tongue in cheek'.

Remoaner & Proud ( and right,, as time will tell...)

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Mr K

And where would that leave us? All bust too...

Bailing them out was the main cause of the austerity we are still suffering from.

Originally Posted by pip08456

Bailing them out was the main cause of the austerity we are still suffering from.

Exactly, another Labour beauty. Northern Rock......

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Remoaner & Proud ( and right,, as time will tell...)

So far, ‘time and tell’ has told us you’ve been far from right... Let’s go over what you have got wrong so far....

• UK recession in 2017. Did not happen.
• Mass Exodus of EU Nationals leaving Britain. Official Immigration Figures says it increased, not decreased.
• Mass Exodus of EU Nationals leaving NHS. NHS digital figures, quoted by Spectator, dictate, more EU Nationals are working in NHS since the referendum.
• Stock market collapse. FTSE 100 has reached record levels.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

Exactly, another Labour beauty. Northern Rock......

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So far, ‘time and tell’ has told us you’ve been far from right... Let’s go over what you have got wrong so far....

• UK recession in 2017. Did not happen.
• Mass Exodus of EU Nationals leaving Britain. Official Immigration Figures says it increased, not decreased.
• Mass Exodus of EU Nationals leaving NHS. NHS digital figures, quoted by Spectator, dictate, more EU Nationals are working in NHS since the referendum.
• Stock market collapse. FTSE 100 has reached record levels.

As you keep being told Mick, Brexit hasn't happened yet...
However the mere mention of it has caused us to have the slowest growth in the EU.
The stock market boom has been down to the weak pound since the Brexit vote. It's correct I didn't forecast the collapse in sterling, if I did I would have bought lots of Euros and now be very rich ! (ho, hum....)

As for staff leaving the NHS, I wouldn't necessarily take the right wing Spectator as an independent source.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-41556997 (yes, sorry i know the BBC are a bunch of commies...)

The proportion of EU nationals leaving jobs in the NHS is rising, while the share of those joining is shrinking.
The BBC analysed NHS Digital figures, which showed the trend in England over the past two-and-a-half years.
Health experts say the UK's decision to leave the European Union in June 2016 was behind the trend.

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