Brexit discussion

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

Correct.

I think the story is complete bollocks anyway and is another cop out, a scapegoat for the remainers to blame 'something' the fact, their side lost, in a fair and square referendum process.

Thanks for your comments on the article. Let's see what the investigation unveils.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Mick

Correct.

I think the story is complete bollocks anyway and is another cop out, a scapegoat for the remainers to blame 'something' the fact, their side lost, in a fair and square referendum process.

Some but most have accepted the result Mick.

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Originally Posted by Mick

Correct.

I think the story is complete bollocks anyway and is another cop out, a scapegoat for the remainers to blame 'something' the fact, their side lost, in a fair and square referendum process.

Most have accepted the referendum process and result IMO.

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Originally Posted by Mick

Correct.

I think the story is complete bollocks anyway and is another cop out, a scapegoat for the remainers to blame 'something' the fact, their side lost, in a fair and square referendum process.

Sadly since then it has been one complete and utter shambles and if anybody thinks it has not been then they obviously would prefer to close their eyes to the chaotic shambles that has played out thus so far..

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

Well I'm not sure how they would cover it. Perhaps they could do it monitored so much work per man hours again this could reflect amounts paid or not paid dependant on the situation.

If someone is not willing to work then stop their benefits. I don't think of it as slave labour I look at it as a means to an opportunity. There is the great unwashed in society that just won't work not everyone it could be if you have been umemployed for 12 months or longer. It's better than sending people on C.V training courses 20 times and do their maths and english tests 20 times it all costs money to do that.

Some people feel worthless while unemployed and can't get a job this will give them some hope and looks good to future employers

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That comment alone just proves my point about people in this country, they think being British is a skill on it's own merit and they all want to be a cheif. it's about time we started turning that around.

Picking fruit might not be a top paid, skilled job earning 20k+ a year but it's a means to an end when there is a large population unemployed looking for work and this a way to do that british pride or not

No that comment doesn't prove your point at all because you don't have one, it might sound good but like the bunk couch scratch beneath the surface and it's ridiculous, there isn't a large population unemployed, we have near enough for this debate 100% employment and you want those that have lost their jobs to stop looking for a similar type job so they can be temporarily housed in the country to pick fruit for three quid an hour but it's okay because we'll continue to pick up the housing benefit for the flat they're no longer living in whilst they do it! Then you change your "idea" to long term unemployed only cutting your large population of unemployed considerably but it's okay because the farmers will be only to happy to employ and house this veritable army of shirkers, as I said it might sound good but the reality would be very different, mind you I doubt the government gives a toss if it sounds good so this will probably be in the autumn statement

Originally Posted by denphone

Some but most have accepted the result Mick.

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Most have accepted the referendum process and result IMO.

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Sadly since then it has been one complete and utter shambles and if anybody thinks it has not been then they obviously would prefer to close their eyes to the chaotic shambles that has played out thus so far..

Yes, from then on I agree it’s been a shambles, delay after delay. It’s a joke.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

Yes, from then on I agree it’s been a shambles, delay after delay. It’s a joke.

Maybe it's a shambles because it's a daft thing to do ? That's not saying it's wasn't democratic, etc, but that doesn't stop it being a country effectively committing suicide.

Even some of those that are delivering this don't believe in it (e.g the remain voting PM & Chancellor). I suspect those that were for it are beginning to have their doubts (David Davis sounds increasingly like he's trying to convince himself more than anything).

I sense slowly public opinion is changing as the economic reality starts to become apparent.

Originally Posted by Mr K

Maybe it's a shambles because it's a daft thing to do ? That's not saying it's wasn't democratic, etc, but that doesn't stop it being a country effectively committing suicide.

Even some of those that are delivering this don't believe in it (e.g the remain voting PM & Chancellor). I suspect those that were for it are beginning to have their doubts (David Davis sounds increasingly like he's trying to convince himself more than anything).

I sense slowly public opinion is changing as the economic reality starts to become apparent.

No, I don’t agree leaving the EU is a daft thing to do and I don’t agree public opinion is changing, in fact I know more remainers, who would now vote leave, the World is a much better and bigger place to do trade deals with, we can still do trade with the EU, without paying a hefty membership fee, which is a total con. I don’t regret voting leave and would do every time, it is the process of leaving which is a total shambles, because there is remainers at the helm trying to thwart it.

[Carth]

I'm with Mick, voted leave with no regrets.

The Government now find themselves at a loss as to how to proceed, probably because they're still in their PC sensitive mindset and daren't say or do anything to upset the 'enemy'

Can't remember the last time we had a 'strong' leadership that knew how to get things done

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mick

Yes, from then on I agree it’s been a shambles, delay after delay. It’s a joke.

It may seem that way, but we have a date for leaving and the government will stick to it.

If there's a lack of progress, it's because of Brussels intransigence regarding the exorbitant price they want Britain to pay on leaving.

This is, once again, a negotiation. Best to judge it at the end rather than keep distracting the government with problems being put in the way by Clegg, Sturgeon, Clarke and all the other usual suspects.

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Originally Posted by Carth

I'm with Mick, voted leave with no regrets.

The Government now find themselves at a loss as to how to proceed, probably because they're still in their PC sensitive mindset and daren't say or do anything to upset the 'enemy'

Can't remember the last time we had a 'strong' leadership that knew how to get things done

The Government isn't at a loss as to how to proceed. It's strategy seems clear enough to me.

It's Barnier & Co who are in the slow lane, with the purpose of causing as much frustration as possible.

I expect things will go a lot faster once it sinks in that GB will definitely leave without a deal if it has to.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It may seem that way, but we have a date for leaving and the government will stick to it.

If there's a lack of progress, it's because of Brussels intransigence regarding the exorbitant price they want Britain to pay on leaving.

This is, once again, a negotiation. Best to judge it at the end rather than keep distracting the government with problems being put in the way by Clegg, Sturgeon, Clarke and all the other usual suspects.

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The Government isn't at a loss as to how to proceed. It's strategy seems clear enough to me.

It's Barnier & Co who are in the slow lane, with the purpose of causing as much frustration as possible.


I expect things will go a lot faster once it sinks in that GB will definitely leave without a deal if it has to.

As would be expected in any such negotiation and especially since:

a) they know there's plenty of pressure on May's weakened government from those who can't accept Brexit,
b) they've made it perfectly clear that the UK cannot expect to leave without suffering a penalty and
c) they want to send a message to other member states who might be getting cold feet about the club.

This was perfectly predictable from the outset. They were never going to do anything other than make it as onerous as they possibly could for as long as possible without going so far that they'd do significant damage to the EU. That's why I believe there will be a deal at the end of all of this.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by denphone

Some but most have accepted the result Mick.[

The result is the result but if anyone funded advertising illegally eg from a foreign power then for the sake of democracy it needs to be investigated and the Electoral Commission is doing exactly this.
Democracy isn't the playground of my team won, yours lost, get over it.

This fear mongering claim did not age well...

"If you vote Leave, the stock exchange will collapse and the value of your pension will be wiped out..."

Just in:

Sky News Newsdesk‏ @SkyNewsBreak

The FTSE 100 Index has closed at a record high of 7,562.28

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Mick

This fear mongering claim did not age well...



Just in:

It was breathtaking really and in spite of all the state backed nonsense, incessant pessimism and scare stores we still voted to leave. How dare we eh?...

[arcimedes]

One should remember that a large number of FTSE 100 companies operate over the whole world and are not really affected by events in one country.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

This fear mongering claim did not age well...

Just in:

Who said that? Rees-Mogg again?

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by arcimedes

One should remember that a large number of FTSE 100 companies operate over the whole world and are not really affected by events in one country.

If that's the case ( correct ) then why did the remainers try to use a supposed catastrophic fall in the case of a Brexit vote? Just another silly scare story.