U.S President: Donald Trump

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

So those are the consequences he threatened business with, we'll give you a wheelbarrow full of cash, I'm sure most people would have judged going by his rhetoric pre election that things would be going in a slightly different direction than corporate welfare.

And they are. Jobs total is up in US, in fact at a record total. Not claiming this is down to Trump as he has not been in office that long but the way you are talking, companies are leaving in droves, which they are not.

As I said, which you have ignored, no cash has exchanged hands. It's called incentives to encourage businesses to keep people in work, you are finding fault with this because ?

I find it laughable you're nitpicking on the above but find nothing wrong with the Democratic Party wasting a colossal $30,000,000, trying to get their candidate in Congress and failing, this is over 4 times the amount you're whinging about Trump, saving a company a heap of cash to keep people in work.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Mick

And they are. Jobs total is up in US, in fact at a record total. Not claiming this is down to Trump as he has not been in office that long but the way you are talking, companies are leaving in droves, which they are not.

As I said, which you have ignored, no cash has exchanged hands. It's called incentives to encourage businesses to keep people in work, you are finding fault with this because ?

I find it laughable you're nitpicking on the above but find nothing wrong with the Democratic Party wasting a colossal $30,000,000, trying to get their candidate in Congress and failing, this is over 4 times the amount you're whinging about Trump, saving a company a heap of cash to keep people in work.

No cash changed hands, that's laughable, the tax take is short changed by 7 million but it's okay because they didn't hand over what was due in the first place. I'm finding fault with it because it's not what trump said would happen pre election, then he was threatening consequences with a grim face, who would've thought those consequences would be filling your boots with tax free cash, if I were an American corporation I'd be threatening to of shore jobs to based on that.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

No cash changed hands, that's laughable, the tax take is short changed by 7 million but it's okay because they didn't hand over what was due in the first place. I'm finding fault with it because it's not what trump said would happen pre election, then he was threatening consequences with a grim face, who would've thought those consequences would be filling your boots with tax free cash, if I were an American corporation I'd be threatening to of shore jobs to based on that.

So basically you're essentially nitpicking just because it's Trump, yet I've told you the party in opposition to Trump, wastes $30,000,000, trying to gain a congressional seat and still fails, such a colossal waste of cash which is another point you have conveniently ignored, had Trump wasted that amount, I'm sure you'd have whinged on about it. Double standards springs to mind.

Originally Posted by Mick

So basically you're essentially nitpicking just because it's Trump, yet I've told you the party in opposition to Trump, wastes $30,000,000, trying to gain a congressional seat and still fails, such a colossal waste of cash which is another point you have conveniently ignored, had Trump wasted that amount, I'm sure you'd have whinged on about it. Double standards springs to mind.

Just to be clear it's their own (donated) money they wasted, not government. I think it's obscene how much money they spend on these things.

Originally Posted by Damien

Just to be clear it's their own (donated) money they wasted, not government. I think it's obscene how much money they spend on these things.

Yeah I know, there was some comments by the Republican candidate herself, Handel, saying the donations where largely from backers from States like California. Which typically, as we know lean heavy for Democrats.

Trumps support is definately falling even with the very pro trump second amendment group who are currently very unhappy about the vepr issue that's come in recently and while it's held up for now is likely to pass soon completely against what trump stated were his aims but he can't push his luck much more with the rest of the legislature. He desperately needs a win and quickly to halt the slide and restore some of that old fervour.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Mick

So basically you're essentially nitpicking just because it's Trump, yet I've told you the party in opposition to Trump, wastes $30,000,000, trying to gain a congressional seat and still fails, such a colossal waste of cash which is another point you have conveniently ignored, had Trump wasted that amount, I'm sure you'd have whinged on about it. Double standards springs to mind.

I essentially have a problem with people in office lying, something you're clearly fine with and I ignored the point about the congressional seat because I know nothing about it, what I do know is these issues are best kept separate and that two wrongs don't make a right or anyone less wrong

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I essentially have a problem with people in office lying, something you're clearly fine with and I ignored the point about the congressional seat because I know nothing about it, what I do know is these issues are best kept separate and that two wrongs don't make a right or anyone less wrong

All politicians lie or distort the truth so you should essentially have a problem with all politicians.

Hillary Clinton lied under oath that she did not send or receive classified emails, former FBI director James Comey's press briefing said she had.

Over here in U.K., Jeremy Corbyn lied that he never met the IRA.

David Cameron lied that he would implement the result of the EU referendum if it was a leave vote.

Lying and politics are bonded, it's purely done for political gain.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

All politicians lie or distort the truth so you should essentially have a problem with all politicians.

Hillary Clinton lied under oath that she did not send or receive classified emails, former FBI director James Comey's press briefing said she had.

Over here in U.K., Jeremy Corbyn lied that he never met the IRA.

David Cameron lied that he would implement the result of the EU referendum if it was a leave vote.

Lying and politics are bonded, it's purely done for political gain.

And we should just accept that ? Just go for the ones that lie the least ?? Even by that standard Donald would be at the bottom of the pile.

Originally Posted by Mr K

And we should just accept that ? Just go for the ones that lie the least ?? Even by that standard Donald would be at the bottom of the pile.

And nothing. I never said it was acceptable for any politician to lie. Poor reading ability again I see.

But as who would be at bottom, it's not a competition, a liar, is a liar but it's a big issue with ALL politicians. As for who should be at the bottom, you're incorrect as always, been a few good liars in the Labour Party, there still is with it's leader, but that's always been a problem, so much so that those lies from Labour, have took us into the illegal Iraq war.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

And nothing. I never said it was acceptable for any politician to lie. Poor reading ability again I see.

But as who would be at bottom, it's not a competition, a liar, is a liar but it's a big issue with ALL politicians. As for who should be at the bottom, you're incorrect as always, been a few good liars in the Labour Party, there still is with it's leader, but that's always been a problem, so much so that those lies from Labour, have took us into the illegal Iraq war.

Chillax Michael, it's the weekend and Donald isn't coming, reasons to be cheerful

Originally Posted by Mr K

Chillax Michael, it's the weekend and Donald isn't coming, reasons to be cheerful

I'm chilled thanks and sorry to disappoint but he is still coming and so he should.

Come on Mr K, I thought you were educated enough to work out, President Trump was elected the Head of State of our most important ally, you go on about Putin being bad but, not having a good relationship with the US just because of who is the president plays into Putins hands surely you have worked this out being educated ?

The EU has treated us recently with such disdain but they have always done that in my eyes but you'd gladly welcome those pissants here.

And China!s President came and they have dire human rights records, you don't/didn't whinge often about him. Double standards again.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Mick

All politicians lie or distort the truth so you should essentially have a problem with all politicians.

Hillary Clinton lied under oath that she did not send or receive classified emails, former FBI director James Comey's press briefing said she had.

Over here in U.K., Jeremy Corbyn lied that he never met the IRA.

David Cameron lied that he would implement the result of the EU referendum if it was a leave vote.

Lying and politics are bonded, it's purely done for political gain.

You are absolutely right, I do have a massive problem with pretty much every politician, I dislike most on general principle and don't trust any of then until they prove otherwise, it's why my vote is nearly always a protest

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Mick

I'm chilled thanks and sorry to disappoint but he is still coming and so he should.

Come on Mr K, I thought you were educated enough to work out, President Trump was elected the Head of State of our most important ally, you go on about Putin being bad but, not having a good relationship with the US just because of who is the president plays into Putins hands surely you have worked this out being educated ?

The EU has treated us recently with such disdain but they have always done that in my eyes but you'd gladly welcome those pissants here.

And China!s President came and they have dire human rights records, you don't/didn't whinge often about him. Double standards again

Yup. Some folk can't help being idiots and some can't help being hypocrites, some even manage to combine being both.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Osem

Yup. Some folk can't help being idiots and some can't help being hypocrites, some even manage to combine being both.

Your assessment of Trump is harsh and brutally honest.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

You are absolutely right, I do have a massive problem with pretty much every politician, I dislike most on general principle and don't trust any of then until they prove otherwise, it's why my vote is nearly always a protest

Yes, I think a lot of people would agree with you on that.