U.S President: Donald Trump

Originally Posted by adzii_nufc

So the CIA are evidently doing as they please, and there's nothing saying they're actually answering to anyone, so what if Trump's right about being tapped, but wrong about who's done or doing it.

We already know the FBI had applied for warrants back in October to tap the phones of Trump's associates, probably Trump himself, over the Russia thing. That's how the intelligence services knew of the calls from the Flynn. Trump is making a specific allegation that Obama ordered it. That would be against the law, it's the justice wing of the government that can seek and authorise wiretaps of America citizens.

Bugging the phones of international citizens is different as they don't have the same protections under American law. It's why the NSA found it more difficult to spy on Americans and looked to GCHQ for help. That's why it's not a simple progression from the Government spying on foreign citizens to spying on Trump.

It's a very big accusation to say Obama ordered the bugging of Trump. Trump needs to at least give enough information to allow an investigation, he has declined to do so thus far.

This wikileaks release is, on first inspection (I haven't read the entire dump), rather mundane. CIA have lists of zero-day exploits of software, they continue to develop ways of hacking into the internet of things and phones, they can bypass encryption by getting to the data before it's encrypted if they can compromise the device. Nothing you wouldn't expect. Intelligence services look to exploit security vulnerabilities....

Seriously governments looking to buy zero-day attacks is nothing new. We already knew they are on the market for them.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

We already know the FBI had applied for warrants back in October to tap the phones of Trump's associates, probably Trump himself, over the Russia thing. That's how the intelligence services knew of the calls from the Flynn. Trump is making a specific allegation that Obama ordered it. That would be against the law, it's the justice wing of the government that can seek and authorise wiretaps of America citizens.

Bugging the phones of international citizens is different as they don't have the same protections under American law. It's why the NSA found it more difficult to spy on Americans and looked to GCHQ for help. That's why it's not a simple progression from the Government spying on foreign citizens to spying on Trump.

It's a very big accusation to say Obama ordered the bugging of Trump. Trump needs to at least give enough information to allow an investigation, he has declined to do so thus far.

This wikileaks release is, on first inspection (I haven't read the entire dump), rather mundane. CIA have lists of zero-day exploits of software, they continue to develop ways of hacking into the internet of things and phones, they can bypass encryption by getting to the data before it's encrypted if they can compromise the device. Nothing you wouldn't expect. Intelligence services look to exploit security vulnerabilities....

Seriously governments looking to buy zero-day attacks is nothing new. We already knew they are on the market for them.

An interesting and informative post.
Do you have any inkling of how the tapping allegations might conclude? Will Trump just let it all die down? Will Obama sue him?

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

An interesting and informative post.
Do you have any inkling of how the tapping allegations might conclude? Will Trump just let it all die down? Will Obama sue him?

I suspect it will be quietly dropped. Investigations are unlikely to start without Trump giving where he got his information to the committee. It just won't be mentioned again, Trump will tweet something else shocking and we all move on.

I didn't think you could sue a sitting President but even so I doubt Obama would bother. He didn't sue over the birther stuff. Presidents are just used to all sorts of things being said about them, usually not from other Presidents though.

Affordable Care Act (aka Obamacare) replacement unveiled - modestly titled little number.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...bill/1275/text

H.R.1275 - World's Greatest Healthcare Plan of 2017

Apparently there are concerns amongst the elderly (one of the biggest tranche of Trump voters) that this will make health insurance unaffordable for them.

[Pierre]

This is where we are now.......

White House spokesman's flag pin mishap
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39238141

I mean, is this news? Who gives a flying,,, ,,,,,,,

Just a bit of banter..a little bit of light relief..

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by Pierre

This is where we are now.......

White House spokesman's flag pin mishap
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39238141

I mean, is this news? Who gives a flying,,, ,,,,,,,

Those pesky Ruskies; interfering yet again... where will it all end.

"What's that?" "it was the CIA." "I don't believe it!" "Yep heard it through my bugged Samsung TV, although it said it was Trump what done it."

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by passingbat

Those pesky Ruskies; interfering yet again... where will it all end.

"What's that?" "it was the CIA." "I don't believe it!" "Yep heard it through my bugged Samsung TV, although it said it was Trump what done it."

It was a secret sign to those globalists in the know to buy shares in BP.

All these seckrit global deep state conspiracies- why are they so bad at it?

I mean, Brexit won, Trump won, Obama didn't take all the guns and impose FEMA camps - they're not very good at it, are they?

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by Hugh

All these seckrit global deep state conspiracies- why are they so bad at it?

I mean, Brexit won, Trump won, Obama didn't take all the guns and impose FEMA camps - they're not very good at it, are they?

World government is coming in the future. Brexit/Trump and even the break up of the EU (if it does actually happen) is just a temporary pause in my view. Despite this temporary pause, there are things that have been and are still going on in the background that are laying the groundwork for that future time.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by passingbat

World government is coming in the future. Brexit/Trump and even the break up of the EU (if it does actually happen) is just a temporary pause in my view. Despite this temporary pause, there are things that have been and are still going on in the background that are laying the groundwork for that future time.

Correct. There doesn't need to be a detailed master plan and timetable of events to create the conditions in which extreme decisions are taken without our consent and you can bet those decisions and restrictions won't hit the elite and their powerful mates. Fools can be as useful as experts strategists in achieving a long term goal and yes of course there will be unforeseen setbacks along the way but that won't alter the drive to create a world run by a relative few powerful people. In fact, that might be the only way in which the human race and our planet can survive - a planet sized colony of worker ants.

ISIS have shown how 'chaos' can be highly effective in creating the conditions in which their long term objectives can be achieved. In fact their use of social media etc. to broadcast their evil and recruit the likeminded is already impinging upon our freedoms. What better excuse could there be to gradually seek more control of and scrutiny over the public?

The uber rich and powerful aren't just going to sit back and watch as their wealth and privilege is eroded away by a global populace which is increasingly aware and resentful of just how big a slice of the pie they have been allowed to accumulate at the expense of the rest of us. All that's required is the circumstances in which they can assume that control and the catalyst could come in many forms, including the entirely unpredictable.

Originally Posted by passingbat

World government is coming in the future. Brexit/Trump and even the break up of the EU (if it does actually happen) is just a temporary pause in my view. Despite this temporary pause, there are things that have been and are still going on in the background that are laying the groundwork for that future time.

Such as?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by passingbat

World government is coming in the future. Brexit/Trump and even the break up of the EU (if it does actually happen) is just a temporary pause in my view. Despite this temporary pause, there are things that have been and are still going on in the background that are laying the groundwork for that future time.

Great to see the nutty Navarro got hos come uppance recently. As a result, he's now been sidelined and Gary Cohn's power is in the ascendancy. One of Cohn's most encouraging appointments has been Andrew Quinn. He served as a senior negotiator during Obama push for the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Such as?

Mass migration isn't over: look at the crazy outcry by the politically correct liberals, against a very sensible plan to protect the country. Given that many, many more non Muslim countries were not affected, to say it is a Muslim ban is crazy.

The Ecumenical movement, again following the politically correct lie that all religions worship the same god. This is nonsense. But both this and mass migration produce homogeneous cultures across many nations making them more acceptable to global government.

The move to digital banking and personal identities for doing so. Very handy for global monetary control. Interesting that powerful banking institutions and prominent world leaders attend the annual Bilderberg meeting. World debt is increasing. It is worrying that these kinds of people are discussing this in secret.

Globalisation is back-doored via multinational trade deals, which bring multinational law courts, where participating nation states laws are subservient to those courts Trump is against them, but that doesn't mean that they won't continue elsewhere in the world.

The other way multinational laws are back-doored is the environmental movement.. There is nothing wrong with wanting clean air etc. but some people behind the movement see it as a way to globalisation via multinational laws.

And don't forget the United Nations Agenda 2030. It's aims seem very noble. But look at the emphasis on 'global cooperation'. Expect them to want to put laws behind the 'cooperation'


https://sustainabledevelopment.un.or...ormingourworld

Partnership

We are determined to mobilize the means required to implement this Agenda through a revitalised Global Partnership for Sustainable Development, based on a spirit of strengthened global solidarity, focussed in particular on the needs of the poorest and most vulnerable and with the participation of all countries, all stakeholders and all people.

The interlinkages and integrated nature of the Sustainable Development Goals are of crucial importance in ensuring that the purpose of the new Agenda is realised. If we realize our ambitions across the full extent of the Agenda, the lives of all will be profoundly improved and our world will be transformed for the better.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by passingbat

Mass migration isn't over: look at the crazy outcry by the politically correct liberals, against a very sensible plan

How is it sensible? Virtually every US terrorist attack in recent times has been homegrown.
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/12/op...terror-bergen/

The 9/11 hijackers were mostly from Saudi Arabia who haven't been banned(!).

Can we rename this thread to:- 'U.S. President Donald Duck' ? Then we can pretend it isn't as bad after all...