Post-Brexit Thread

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

2nd referendum based on the terms of exit negotiated

How would that work then ? i simply don't see how you think that could possibly work ,what would the voters be voting on ?

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

So, not final then at all.

Yes it's final ,it doesn't need to be legally binding to be final .The decision has been made it is final and you can keep grasping at straws all you like but we are leaving Europe

Originally Posted by martyh

How would that work then ? i simply don't see how you think that could possibly work ,what would the voters be voting on ?

Should Britain accept the terms of the Brexit settlement?

I guess voting 'No' would mean revoking Article 50 but we don't know if it's possible, alternatively it could leave things in limbo and send the government back to the EU to get a better deal. Not a likely or ideal scenario though.

Originally Posted by Damien

Should Britain accept the terms of the Brexit settlement?

I guess voting 'No' would mean revoking Article 50 but we don't know if it's possible, alternatively it could leave things in limbo and send the government back to the EU to get a better deal. Not a likely or ideal scenario though.

I think it the most ridiculous scenario i ever heard of

Originally Posted by martyh

I think it the most ridiculous scenario i ever heard of

Out of all the unlikely scenarios a vote on the terms of the deal is the most likely though. It would essentially be a rerun of the first referendum except with a more precise idea what Leave is. It's unlikely because I can't see the political case for it, how it would occur, but the concept itself isn't that mad.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by martyh

How would that work then ? i simply don't see how you think that could possibly work ,what would the voters be voting on ?

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Yes it's final ,it doesn't need to be legally binding to be final .The decision has been made it is final and you can keep grasping at straws all you like but we are leaving Europe

No it's not final at all in the slightest, if the courts uphold the decision, and MP's vote against invoking Article 50 then it doesn't happen

Whilst it's unlikely it is possible.

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Originally Posted by martyh

I think it the most ridiculous scenario i ever heard of

a) let's leave Europe without knowing how it will affect us, or what it means for the country
b) let's make a decision to leave Europe based on factual evidence of what lies ahead for the country, it's people & it's economy.

I know which scenario is ridiculous, and it's not B

[Gavin78]

The way things are going I think the Gov will cancel out the referendum and keep us in the EU.

Seems the people that had no clue about the referendum were the remain supporters every leave voter i know including me knew what we wanted when we voted leave and that was complete exit from the EU in every way. I also don't want to hear remain supporters using democracy as a justification because they are not democrats or supporters of democracy in the slightest after calling for another vote to nullify the last one and if we had a second vote and it didn't go their way they would find a reason for a third and a fourth and on and on we'd go till we voted the right way.

Cameron the coward knew exactly what he was doing by quitting instead of keeping to his word and he is every bit as bad as boris and gove all three were in it for their own ends no matter how much damage it did.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

The way things are going I think the Gov will cancel out the referendum and keep us in the EU.

Well of course, but they can't admit that yet ! A lot of politicians from all sides aren't being straight on this; they are too worried about votes at the next election to say what they really think at the moment.

I did the old fashioned thing of writing to my MP on the issue. He's a Tory, but non the less a fairly reasonable bloke (!) He was on the remain side of the argument, and indeed his constituency voted to remain (being an educated place ) But ever since the Referendum he's suddenly changed sides - my argument is he should represent his constituents views (and his own). However he seems to be more interested in his career (he's a junior minister) and not upsetting she who must be obeyed.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Seems the people that had no clue about the referendum were the remain supporters every leave voter i know including me knew what we wanted when we voted leave and that was complete exit from the EU in every way. I also don't want to hear remain supporters using democracy as a justification because they are not democrats or supporters of democracy in the slightest after calling for another vote to nullify the last one and if we had a second vote and it didn't go their way they would find a reason for a third and a fourth and on and on we'd go till we voted the right way.

Cameron the coward knew exactly what he was doing by quitting instead of keeping to his word and he is every bit as bad as boris and gove all three were in it for their own ends no matter how much damage it did.

You've only got to look at this thread to know your assumption that leave voters knew what they wanted is false, of the top of my head we've had people voting leave as a protest vote, wrongly thinking it'd mean we'd leave the echr, wrongly thinking that delays in doctors appointments is due to migrants, getting away from eu rules but overwhelmingly it's due to migration, very few I've seen state it's because they want to leave the single market

They can't admit it because there is no intention to do it despite what some may want but lets just think about it for a minute if this government were stupid enough to ignore the vote the trouble that would cause in this country not least that it couldn't call itself a democracy with a straight face again. I've always said there was no way I'd be a Ukip voter but now i know oneway that i would vote for them and that is if the referendum wasn't acted on now imagine all the others who'd feel the sameway and voted for Ukip if remainers really want less damage to the Uk might want to have a long hard think on what's more damaging.

Yes and we had people voting remain because they thought if we left no more ibiza holidays and that they wouldn't be able to use their mobiles abroad there was plenty of silly reason voting on both sides but the vast majority voted leave wanting to completely leave.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

They can't admit it because there is no intention to do it despite what some may want but lets just think about it for a minute if this government were stupid enough to ignore the vote the trouble that would cause in this country not least that it couldn't call itself a democracy with a straight face again. I've always said there was no way I'd be a Ukip voter but now i know oneway that i would vote for them and that is if the referendum wasn't acted on now imagine all the others who'd feel the sameway and voted for Ukip if remainers really want less damage to the Uk might want to have a long hard think on what's more damaging.

Yes and we had people voting remain because they thought if we left no more ibiza holidays and that they wouldn't be able to use their mobiles abroad there was plenty of silly reason voting on both sides but the vast majority voted leave wanting to completely leave.

I doubt it is the vast majority and given how close the vote was it might have been a good idea to ensure people didn't vote based on wrong information. Sad thing is if we have a do over which incidentally I don't think I'm in favour of I doubt much in either campaign would change

No both sides would go straight back to rubbish campaigning and the country can become even more divided but as far as some are concerned any price is worth paying as long as we vote the right way which of course is their way.

[Gavin78]

The problem is the EU wants to be a United States I mean do you really want the UK to be known as a state rather than an independant country because that is the way the EU wants to go.

The whole federal europe aspect was the biggest factor in the people i know they have no desire to be a region subservient to brussels and to lose our say in pretty much every aspect. There is no doubt where the EU is heading if it continues to exist and it's a destination only the europhiles want to go to.

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

No it's not final at all in the slightest, if the courts uphold the decision, and MP's vote against invoking Article 50 then it doesn't happen

The court case is not about whether A50 is invoked ,it is about who invokes it ,Parliament or the government .Just about every MP to a man has stated that the will of the people will be upheld so it is final ,definite and going to happen.You are clearly grasping at straws in the hope that some miracle will allow us to remain in Europe ,there isn't one we are leaving ,you need to move on