"Busy Tories" skew opinion polls

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Being a Tory is embarrassing , always has been for anyone with a shred of decency . Its also likely a lot of the Tories are locked away in their secure accommodation, or too busy posting prattle on forums

The left is full hypocritical envious thugs.

Funny how students are always anti-Tory, then amazingly when they've finished their degrees and have a few quid they suddenly swing over to the right.

And there's the great socialist Labour MPs, all as bent as any Tory counterpart.

And then there's socialism itself, which has worked so well in every country that has tried it, it is now the leading system the world over.

Trust me, there is nothing more embarrassing than being a Corbyn supporter.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Funny how students are always anti-Tory, then amazingly when they've finished their degrees and have a few quid they suddenly swing over to the right.

That's not hypocrisy. People's circumstances change over time. Some people stay with their same political beliefs but others will change as they pay taxes, get a mortgage, a pension and so on. I mean the Tories tripled tuition fees and tripe-locked pensions. It's hardly surprising that students are more likely to go Labour and Pensioners are more likely to go Tory.

[pip08456]

And then as the self same students get older they turn into Tories, some even become Tory politicians!

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Damien

I mean the Tories tripled tuition fees and tripe-locked pensions. It's hardly surprising that students are more likely to go Labour and Pensioners are more likely to go Tory.

It's ben that way for decades.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Damien

That's not hypocrisy. People's circumstances change over time. Some people stay with their same political beliefs but others will change as they pay taxes, get a mortgage, a pension and so on. I mean the Tories tripled tuition fees and tripe-locked pensions. It's hardly surprising that students are more likely to go Labour and Pensioners are more likely to go Tory.

Be fair, it was the uni's that tripled the fees, the Tory's and the duplicitous Lib Dem's that went along with it, just took the cap off.

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Be fair, it was the uni's that tripled the fees, the Tory's and the duplicitous Lib Dem's that went along with it, just took the cap off.

And also reduced the funding for the Universities as well.

When I graduated it was £1,300 per year, people graduating just a few years after then had to pay £9,000 a year. It isn't really fair.

The thing is I would accept the need for a graduate tax. I also am not sure how much the government should pay for higher education. It seems reasonable those who benefit pay for it and the government instead directs money at living grants for poorer students, especially since it's those living costs rather than the debt which would be greater barrier to them.

What isn't right though is that the 'much-needed' austerity is lopsided towards younger people. The triple-lock seems like rubbing salt in the wound. You could make an argument that pensioners should be protected from austerity cuts, they can't really work to overcome it, but to make a policy as expensive as the pension changes isn't justified when things like social care are being cut to the bone.

[spanna]

it was labour that introduced the fees in the first place
Then labour that tripled them the first time

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Be fair, it was the uni's that tripled the fees, the Tory's and the duplicitous Lib Dem's that went along with it, just took the cap off.

Why did the Uni's triple the fees? Oh, yes, because the government cut (or even removed) most of their other sources of funding.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Stuart

Why did the Uni's triple the fees? Oh, yes, because the government cut (or even removed) most of their other sources of funding.

You may be correct but it may simply have been greed. I don't know, I'm sure it could be argued either way.

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

You may be correct but it may simply have been greed. I don't know, I'm sure it could be argued either way.

I worked at Uni's 9as a member of the Executive Board, so was actively involved in overall, as well as departmental, budgets, when this happened - when the fees went up, all capital monies and other funding (except research grants) stopped.

Universities were fiscally worse off - fees were frozen for a number of years, while costs/wages increased.