Bakers who refused to make 'gay cake' say they felt 'victimised' - Page 3

nomadking · 26-10-2016, 17:25

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Originally Posted by Chris

Doesn't what mean?

Doesn't the ruling say that providers of a service are not allowed to deny that service for those expressing views that are against the beliefs of the providers?

tweetiepooh · 26-10-2016, 17:29

That could be OK but the provider should be allowed to deny to provide a service that promotes a view to which they disagree with.

techguyone · 26-10-2016, 19:56

Wonder if the same would have happened if it had been a muslim baker rather than a Christian one... just putting it out there, funny how some religions trump the law, and other don't. Strange that.

**Chris** · 26-10-2016, 20:04

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Originally Posted by nomadking

Doesn't the ruling say that providers of a service are not allowed to deny that service for those expressing views that are against the beliefs of the providers?

Well that's the thing, isn't it. The ruling appears to have extended the tendrils of regulation into areas of behaviour that nobody considered before. Worth pointing out, however, that it doesn't forbid all moderation of any subject, the law under discussion would only apply to certain specified forms of discrimination, sexuality being one of them.

Osem · 26-10-2016, 22:28

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Originally Posted by Hugh

And if every shop won't serve you because you are black/ gay/ female/ disabled/ Jewish/ Muslim/ Catholic/ Atheist (delete as applicable), where do you go?

Is that why CF continues to?...

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Originally Posted by techguyone

Wonder if the same would have happened if it had been a muslim baker rather than a Christian one... just putting it out there, funny how some religions trump the law, and other don't. Strange that.

FGS it's got nothing to do with Trump!

**Hugh** · 26-10-2016, 22:40

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Originally Posted by techguyone

Wonder if the same would have happened if it had been a muslim baker rather than a Christian one... just putting it out there, funny how some religions trump the law, and other don't. Strange that.

If you have an example, that would be good.

Otherwise, you are just making stuff up...

nomadking · 26-10-2016, 22:50

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Originally Posted by Hugh

If you have an example, that would be good.

Otherwise, you are just making stuff up...

How many cases are there where Muslim shop assistants have refused to serve certain items?

Halal slaughtered meat is by LAW, only allowed to consumed by Muslims. Is that enforced? All the Halal-only takeaways should technically only serve meat to Muslims.

rogerdraig · 26-10-2016, 22:54

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Originally Posted by Kursk

I offered the additional reference as it seemed its exclusion was an accidental oversight.

It seems to me that the judgement has already been made by God.

It is unlawful according to the word of God.

you are quoting from the old testament that as loads of laws which no longer apply or apply only to those who accept and believe.

the new testament has loads of references of how we should follow the law of the land.

Romans 13:1-5

Romans 3:31

techguyone · 26-10-2016, 23:06

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Originally Posted by nomadking

How many cases are there where Muslim shop assistants have refused to serve certain items?

Halal slaughtered meat is by LAW, only allowed to consumed by Muslims. Is that enforced? All the Halal-only takeaways should technically only serve meat to Muslims.

+1

Making stuff up... ffs I'm not Arthur

rogerdraig · 26-10-2016, 23:06

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Originally Posted by pip08456

Exactly my point, you quote bible verses and expect everyone to know the context yet you've taken the verse out of context.

There are other religions in the world! How would a Buddist, Hindu or anyone of another faith have any idea of the context of any verse plucked from the bible?

That is how evanglists work, they quote bible verses to prove any point they wish to make.

i could have wrote out the whole chapter then gone into how it applies but as i was talking about how we should treat others and was mainly replying to some one who is complaining from a religious stand point i didn't feel the need but I am quite willing to do so

my main point is that Christians should treat everyone equally with out discrimination and should follow the law. How God will judge those not of our faith is not up to us.

I can not see how allowing them to do as they wanted to do could in any case do anything but harm as it would lead to those who don't believe in mixed marriage or interfaith marriages then saying they also should be allowed to discriminate and then to other things.

I am all for being allowed to proclaim your faith door to door if you want but we should not be allowed to impose our views on others who don't hold those views

Arthurgray50@blu · 26-10-2016, 23:51

I don't make things up either.

The biggest problem and the most Argumetive problem we have in the UK is quite simple. People are petrified to say the wrong word.
There was a point where the BBC were going to show a new show of Allo Allo, they decided not to show this is case it offended people.

They were going to remake an Alf Garnet show - if they did, this will probably be heavy watered down.

It about time, we were allowed to sat or do what we want. BUT, we cant. As it will offends people.

This couple decided against doing a cake, because it was a for gay couple - against there beliefs.

We cannot say certain words. Years ago, we had a great marmalade. Which had a certain figure on it. The Manufacturers bowed to pressure and took it off.

This started years ago with a certain Mary Whitehouse, who stick her oar in. And there used to be a fantastic called The Black and White Minstrel Show. This was axed because, certainly people took offence to what the stars were wearing.

For Christ sake Britain. Grow up for heavens sake

**Hugh** · 27-10-2016, 00:03

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Originally Posted by techguyone

+1

Making stuff up... ffs I'm not Arthur

Re your post - Muslim baker example would be nice...

Kursk · 27-10-2016, 01:56

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Originally Posted by rogerdraig

you are quoting from the old testament that as loads of laws which no longer apply or apply only to those who accept and believe.

the new testament has loads of references of how we should follow the law of the land.

Romans 13:1-5

Romans 3:31

So, the Ten Commandments - just Old Testament stuff that no longer applies?

TheDaddy · 27-10-2016, 02:21

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Originally Posted by Kursk

So, the Ten Commandments - just Old Testament stuff that no longer applies?

Superseded by the beattitudes, from the mouth of Jesus himself iirc

**Maggy** · 27-10-2016, 10:59

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I don't make things up either.

The biggest problem and the most Argumetive problem we have in the UK is quite simple. People are petrified to say the wrong word.
There was a point where the BBC were going to show a new show of Allo Allo, they decided not to show this is case it offended people.

They were going to remake an Alf Garnet show - if they did, this will probably be heavy watered down.

It about time, we were allowed to sat or do what we want. BUT, we cant. As it will offends people.

This couple decided against doing a cake, because it was a for gay couple - against there beliefs.

We cannot say certain words. Years ago, we had a great marmalade. Which had a certain figure on it. The Manufacturers bowed to pressure and took it off.

This started years ago with a certain Mary Whitehouse, who stick her oar in. And there used to be a fantastic called The Black and White Minstrel Show. This was axed because, certainly people took offence to what the stars were wearing.

For Christ sake Britain. Grow up for heavens sake

That brand of marmalade is just as great as it ever was with or without the golliwog..There see I can say it..it's not a term of abuse these days. As for the show thank goodness it's gone.It was awful and it made me cringe.